Beverly Jean Shaw was close with your family.
We're simply looking for a little background.
She wasn't that close.
She was about to marry your brother in law.
They hadn't set a date.
I didn't spend a lot of time with him.
You and Benjamin aren't close?
What's this "close" Shit? That's like women.
Mrs. Barnwright said you looked out for him.
Well, yeah, he's a shrimp. And he's your brother in law.
So you would help him if he needed it. Yep.
所以如果他需要 你会帮他 当然
Did you fight a lot in high school?
How'd you land yourself in Warren State Psychiatric Hospital?
It's probably in your fucking file.
We want to hear your side.
This girl freaked out on me, came after me with a wrench.
I tried to get it out of her hand, it swang back, hit her in the face.
Then all this shit came raining down on me.
Why'd she freak out?
I was seeing some other girl, too. You a ladies man?
Maybe. Back then.
They sent you to a mental institution. That was bullshit.
I had to go, it was part of the plea.
You did a plea deal?
Why not go to court, tell them what you told us?
My lawyer said I'd never
win against a sweet girl with a broken nose.
There were other infractions,
I was running around like a jackass back then.
But no longer? I'm married now. Got a kid.
现在不了吗 我结婚了 还有孩子
Marriage and fatherhood don't make anger go away.
I wasn't angry, I was just...
Makes me sound like a pussy, but yeah.
Want to tell us about the night Beverly Jean disappeared?
I don't know. It was, uh... typical, I guess.
Rose was still pregnant back then.
Got her some dinner and watched TV.
So you were home all night. No.
No. I told you, I went out and got us dinner.
不是 我刚说了 我出去买晚饭了
How long were you gone?
I don't know, 15, 20 minutes maybe.
不知道 15 20分钟吧
Where'd you get food?
Rose likes the rolls at Hannah's Diner on Market Street.
And Rose will confirm this?
Am I under some kind of suspicion here?
We're just looking at it from every angle.
No, Beverly Jean was, uh... was Benji's girl.
I barely knew her.
Strange, seeing as how she was about to be part of the family.
Stop saying it like that.
You said they hadn't set a date for the wedding.
It was loose. They were engaged, weren't they?
Benji thought they were.
The impression I got is that
she was in love with him, wanted to marry him.
Oh, man, I don't want to rain on his parade...
You're saying he made the relationship more than what it was?
She let him call her his girlfriend.
He got that apartment for her.
Yeah, that was the big plan, get her to move in.
Was Beverly even sleeping with him? Now and again.
A looker like her, he thought he'd died and gone to heaven.
You found her attractive? She's a seven.
Really? From the photos, I'd give her an eight.
In Altoona, she's a solid eight.
I thought Benji had done pretty good for himself.
Especially for a guy who's...
so quick to cry.
Do you think that he was satisfying her?
I don't think he was blowing her mind. She tell you that?
Not in so many words,
but when a chick's enjoying it, she's all over you.
You think Beverly Jean knew the difference?
You think she'd, you know... been around?
I'd say she was, uh... open.
Benjamin see it that way too?
I don't know if he didn't get it or he didn't want to.
Everyone we interviewed said Beverly Jean was...
nice, loyal, decent.
和善 忠贞 正经的女人
No one's gonna come right out and say the dead girl was easy.
You hear him deflect on that deal in high school?
He could have made that up about her being a slut.
What if he didn't?
Listen, if Beverly had the upper hand in the relationship
and made Benjamin feel jealous by seeing other men,
if Benjamin felt sexually powerless,
he might lash out with the kind of anger we see in this crime.
Let's see what Benjamin has to say.
Bring him in? Yeah.
You understand you're not under arrest?
You're free to leave at any point,
only have to talk to us if you want to.
And you're okay with us recording this conversation?
It's just so much easier than writing everything down.
Yeah. I want to help if I can.
You know a lot about this case
you're not telling us, don't you?
Uh, no, nothing more than what I already said.
We talked to Frank.
He paints a different picture of your relationship with Beverly.
He said you made up that part about you and her being engaged.
Well, I didn't have a ring yet,
but, um, but I asked her and she said yes.
It sounded like she wanted to keep her options open.
Did Frank say that?
He said a lot of things.
Cause he was jealous. Jealous?
因为他嫉妒 嫉妒 '
Why would he be jealous?
He's married. To your sister.
He was always asking when... she was coming around,
always talking to her like she was his girlfriend.
What do you mean? Like "Hey, hon,"
Hey, babe," "Hey, sweetheart, go get me a beer."
"好啊宝贝儿" "宝贝儿拿啤酒来" "
he was always getting her to sit on his lap.
Did she want to sit on his lap?
She had to or it would've been rude.
Did he try to have sex with her? No, it didn't go that far.
He told us he was interested.
Beverly Jean was a beautiful woman. She wouldn't do that.
Do what, have sex? She had sex with you.
做什么 做♥爱吗 她和你做♥爱了啊
She loved me.
But she wasn't exactly saving herself for marriage.
Do you think you satisfied her, Benjamin?
Did you see her that night when she got off work?
No. I was home, I was watching television.
没有 我在家 在看电视
Didn't you want her to come over, hang out with you?
Of course I wanted her to come over, because I loved her.
Now she's dead.
Oh, my God!
Oh, my God!
So did Beverly Jean sleep around?
Alvin said he tried to pick her up at a bar. She turned him down.
What was she doing at a bar?
Having a drink? Was she alone, with a girlfriend?
喝一杯 她是一个人 还是有女伴
What would that tell us?
A single woman in a bar...
A single woman might go alone just to have a drink.
What about her? Is she trying to pick someone up?
Well, probably. Why, because she's by herself?
可能吧 为什么 因为她就一个人吗
Because she's at a bar?
Yeah. That's an assumption.
Say she is looking for someone, does that make her easy?
Is she looking for a husband or a one night stand?
Does the difference change your perception of her?
Well, changes whether I'd be interested in her, theoretically.
What if you're looking for a one night stand... theoretically?
No, I don't... It's not my thing.
Come on, Mark. Leave him alone.
得了吧 马克 别烦他了
The question of Beverly's sexual history is
only important because if she was seeing other men,
then obviously they're suspects.
So who else can we talk to?
There's a couple of friends we could question... again.
Anyone else she might have confided in?
She did just get her hair done. Right?
Here's a question,
if it is Benjamin or some other boyfriend who freaked out on her,
does the case merit our involvement?
We still can't rule out a sequence killer,
but if the perpetrator was a townie,
then the crime is random,
and there's no expectation that he'll be repeating it.
Here's my question, shouldn't our funding cover separate rooms?
You don't like my company?
We'll get connecting doors.
The mutilation of her body alone justifies our involvement.
Would you mind sitting on your own bed, please?
Well, that was a dead end.
One of the families she baby sat for, the Snyders.
You mind if we take a quick detour? Something's been bugging me.
I just got him to sleep.
Pretty hard having a newborn.
All anybody ever tells you is how great it is.
But my wife and I, with both our kids,
we walked around like zombies for the first three months.
You know, Trinity Lutheran, over on Sycamore,
has a program for single moms.
Not that you're single, but it's your first child
and they'll have all kinds of
information on feeding him, getting him to sleep.
Thanks. What about Frank?
He help you out? When he can.
He's got work.
Your mom certainly seems excited about having a grandbaby.
She is happy.
And Benjamin, is he helping?
No. You close with Benjamin?
He's my older brother.
By how much?
You have good memories growing up?
Mom went to work. Got two jobs.
Two kids, two jobs. How'd she swing that?
Me and Benji went to school a couple blocks over.
We would walk home in the afternoon.
And you were how old? Ten. Maybe eleven.
那时你们多大 10岁 11岁吧
That's pretty young.
Mom would come home tired,
wasn't really up for dealing with kids.
I'd make sure the house was clean. It's no small feat.
How old were you when you met Frank? Sixteen.
You know about the incident with Frank in high school?
It was before I met him.
You ever talk with him about it?
He told me it was some accident.
you knew Beverly Jean.
What was she like?
She was really sweet.
You think she was good for Benjamin?
She made him want to leave home.
I thought that was good.
We gave him money for a security deposit. Signed his lease.
Did she intend to marry him?
He was working on her.
Was she... seeing other men?
Benjamin thought she might be.
Benjamin told you this?
He said he thought she was giving him the runaround.
Getting done up for other guys.
Done up how?
Painting her nails? Wearing perfume?
Getting her hair done.
Frank told us he was with you
the night Beverly Jean was murdered.
Is that true? Yes.
he went out to get us food.
How long was he gone?
Rose, if you are hiding something
and they find out about it, it will not be good for you...
or for him.
What are we missing?
Did you see those bruises on her arm? Yeah.
You think Frank did that?
Her mother told us that
he wouldn't let anyone else get close to her.
Should we search Frank's car?
I would need a warrant. Let's get one.
Mark. There's a young woman downstairs asking for you.
Do you promise my baby will be okay if I tell you what happened?
It's okay. Hey.
So you said Frank was not
home the night Beverly Jean disappeared?
Do you know where he was?
Where was he?
Benji called us that night and asked Frank to come over.
So Frank left.
How long was he gone?
He called after two or three hours.
Asked me to come over there too.
What time was this? Ten or eleven?
But I told him I was tired.
My back hurt. My feet.
I was more than eight months pregnant.
Did he say why he wanted you to come over?
He just said to come?
He said to bring cleaning supplies.
But... I forgot.
Drove over, let myself in.
Frank was in the living room. He told me not to get upset.
Was he upset?
He was calm.
Okay. So Frank tells you not to get upset...
He told me something bad had happened.
My mind started racing,
I was worried something had happened to Benji.
Frank said, "He's fine, but he's done something."
Benjamin did something?
I said, "What's he done?"
He said he got mad at Beverly Jean.
Frank said Benjamin hit her.
I asked if she was okay.
Frank said, "We got to help Benjamin out of this.
We got to stick together or he's going to get in trouble."
I asked where Benjamin was.
He said, "He's in the bathroom."
I said, "I want to see him." He said, "Okay.
But Beverly Jean is in there too."
The door was open.
I saw Benji. He...
He had his head in his hands, he was crying.
There was blood everywhere.
And then I see Beverly Jean in the bathtub.
Was she alive?
She had her top on, but no panties.
I said, "Benji, what have you done?"
He shook his head. He didn't want to look at me.
Was she face up, face down? Face up.
Did you notice any wounds?
I couldn't tell, there was a lot of blood.
Then what happened?
Then Frank brought in a tarp, spread it on the floor.
Then he asked me to go get cleaning supplies.
When I came back, they had already rolled her up.
So they took her out to Frank's truck and drove off.
I washed out the tub and cleaned up the bathroom.
I scrubbed the tiles, in the cracks,
the grouting, the window frame.
I had to wash all the blood down the sink and that seemed to...
It took forever...
trying to get it all to go down.
Did you see a weapon? There was a knife in the tub.
What'd you do with it?
I rinsed it off.
Took it to the kitchen, washed it with dish soap.
Put it away.
And then I went home.
Did you see Frank or Benjamin again that night?
Frank came home early the next morning.
Why did you help them?
It's just what I've always done.
Who killed her?
I don't know.
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