She had my brother, that's what she wanted next.
She told you this? All the time.
Why was she so upset when you brought home the shoes?
I was wearing 'em around the house.
Were you trying to be what she wanted you to be?
Were you trying to be a girl?
你是不是想当女孩 fuck no, I never wanted to be a girl.
I liked the shoes.
I didn't know why she was so angry.
I took a pair of my teacher's shoes,
and she didn't lose her fucking mind.
Your teacher's shoes?
Mrs. Kernegan. First grade.
She'd kick her shoes off under the desk. Heels?
Low, but stylish. She checked our book bags.
低跟 但很时尚 她检查我们的书包
When she found them on me, I thought she'd go berserk,
but... she was just curious.
About what? Why I had taken them.
Women always want to know, don't they?
At least they think they do. Did Darcie want to know?
It's tricky when you're married.
You either have to deny yourself or...
keep a private space.
Like a golf course.
I put a lock on the garage, installed an intercom
so she could call in if she needed something from the freezer.
Wouldn't want her finding your trophies.
She would not have wanted that.
What the fuck?
That was amazing. Yeah, that was great.
真是太不可思议了 是啊 很棒
All that shit about his mom burning the shoes.
The high heels worked.
You could say that.
Let me ask you something.
Was that true about your mom walking in on you? Yeah.
你妈妈看到你自♥慰 是真的吗 是
It didn't bother you, using that?
Who doesn't have a weird story about their mom and sex?
You're telling a private, very personal story to a murderous asshole.
It bothered me.
Is this about Nancy?
It's nothing wrong with...
If what we're doing doesn't get under your skin,
you're even more screwed up than I thought or kidding yourself.
You're just like a son to me.
You never did nothing I told you to do.
Archie. We want you and Ma to come visit us out there.
Well, maybe your mother in law can do that, but, you know...
Where are you?
They almost said it was our fault.
Jesus, Nancy. I don't know what to say.
天啊 南茜 我不知道该说什么
Well, I was hoping for a little more than that.
I can't talk about this now. Okay?
Brian's teacher thinks we're not paying enough attention to this.
That's why he's acting out.
We have to do something.
Is that a "Uh huh, I know," or is that "Uh huh, uh huh"?
You want to go to Lamplighter tonight or not?
Sure. But why are you being like this?
Like I said, I really can't talk about this now. Okay?
我说了 我现在不能说这件事 明白吗
Did you finish it? I did.
It's pretty great, right?
Can you believe what he said about his mom?
Did you listen to it?
What's in the box?
Holden's idea. You figure it out?
I'm guessing shoes.
He got an erection.
Isn't that what you wanted? We wanted to get him talking.
No, you baited him with those shoes
and you lied to him about his wife.
He pulled that bullshit about Kemper, so we used the same tactic.
So it was revenge? No. Speaking his language.
这是复仇咯 不 用他的方法跟他沟通
This is a scientific study, not a locker room hazing.
Let me explain something, Wendy. Please.
我来解释一下 温迪 请吧
Guys communicate in a certain way.
It can be rough, but it's like a code, it gets out the conflict.
可能很糙 但像是一种暗号 能避免冲突
Well, thank you for illuminating me on male rituals.
You threw our questionnaire right out the window.
Your questionnaire, which wasn't working.
All you wanted to do was force him to admit
that he wears women's clothes.
Yeah, get under his disguise.
Cross dressing is part of his psychology.
His fixation on women's clothes,
women's bodies, wanting to own them,
wanting to inhabit them.
If we can understand that, we can recognize it in another killer.
Cross dressing is not an antecedent to homicidal behavior.
I didn't say that.
For most people, it's a harmless form of expression.
Most people? Those who do it.
But it's usually sexual, right?
And we know sex drives our subjects.
It's sometimes sexual.
Transvestism has been practiced in every era,
in every human culture. Come on.
If you want to teach a class, go back to Boston.
No, you weren't speaking his language.
You were persecuting him about something
that challenges your masculinity.
What? That interview was personal.
No, this is personal. Guys.
不 你这么说才是针对我 伙计们
You're being irrational. Oh, Jesus.
Where's this coming from? I don't know.
Maybe shock at your total lack of objectivity.
We were supposed to be objective?
Because I seem to remember you
encouraging us to use our families to get to him.
How objective is that? We have to use strategies.
I said use fake information, as long as you establish rapport...
That's not what you said. And it's not possible.
It is not possible to communicate
with someone like Brudos and be fake.
We can hassle him or we can open up to him,
but either option has a cost.
She comes highly recommended.
She has like ten years of experience...
The only thing is, she's in Charlottesville.
I looked for someone in D.C.
You'd think they'd have music therapists in D.C.
with all the politicians' kids there,
but maybe it's considered too alternative.
I don't even know that she's a hippie.
I only talked to her on the phone.
But she... she sounded very nice.
I could drive him there once a week.
Maybe even get him out of school a little early,
which could also be a good thing, after what happened today.
How much is she? Forty five.
An hour and a half.
Nancy, that's a lot.
You spend that much on a golf club.
Yeah, but when you buy a club, you have the club.
I got a recommendation for a child psychologist in Woodbridge,
You got a recommendation? When?
About a month ago.
Why didn't you tell me?
Because I really don't want to send him to a shrink.
Me neither. But at that price,
I'd rather send him to a doctor
than some hippie musician.
Please. This is not about the money.
Of course not.
I was hoping it wouldn't go this far.
It's a private school.
If he keeps biting other children, he's gonna get kicked out.
He's getting bullied, so he's defending himself.
We should have held him back a year.
I don't think that's the problem.
He's fine with me, he's great with Julie.
I've read a couple of books which recommend music therapy
when a child needs communication training.
Communication training." Is that what the books call it?
"沟通训练" 书里这么叫它吗 "
Sure describes what we need.
I'm exhausted, Nancy. Could we table this for tonight?
我累坏了 南茜 今晚先别谈了行吗
Looks like we gotta do it ourselves.
Let's work on these ropes.
We're home a little early tonight.
Is everything okay?
Is Brian all right?
Did something happen?
When I was putting him to bed, I found something under it.
What did you find? I don't have change,
so here's a little bonus.
She found this under Brian's bed.
Julie, I'm so sorry.
You know I'm an FBI agent. I work on some rough cases.
He must have got this out of my office.
I should lock that file cabinet.
Honey, you shouldn't have had to see that.
Brian saw it, too.
We really messed up. I messed up.
He gets into things, I know.
We need to keep a closer eye on him.
And we'll find a way to explain it. I'll talk to him,
make sure he understands there's nothing wrong.
Nothing's wrong? Honey, come here.
一切正常 亲爱的 过来
Are you all right?
I've been meaning to tell you,
my parents want me to get some real job experience,
so I'm applying at the mall and...
But you'd still be able to sit for us sometimes, right?
I think it's going to be hard.
you've been with us for years.
I'm sorry, Mrs. Tench.
Don't forget your money.
Please say goodbye to Brian for me.
I know that file cabinet has a lock. I just have to find the key.
Or get a new one.
That one's 20 years old.
Kid's kind of a Houdini, though.
Maybe I should get a safe.
Why is it in the house at all?
It's work. I have to bring it home sometimes.
That? You have to bring that home?
What do you do with it?
Examine it for clues.
You don't tell me a thing about what you do.
Now you know why.
You don't need to protect me, though.
I'm trying to protect everybody.
No, you need to protect your son.
What was he doing in my office in the first place?
We can't watch him every second.
He's always trying to get in there.
Because he knows it's not allowed.
I should put a lock on the door.
He's trying to get closer to you!
Sometimes I find him in our closet.
He's putting on your ties. He's walking around in your shoes.
I'm here on the weekends now. I'm putting in the time.
When you're not at the golf course, you're angling to get there.
Even when you're playing with him, I see you check your watch.
Well, to be honest, he's not much fun. He's not much fun?!
说实话 他不太有意思 他不太有意思
I know how that sounds, but I've tried.
He's just not interested.
It takes more than turning up, Bill.
Okay, you... you need to play with him.
I can't have a conversation with him.
I can't get a hug out of him.
I can't even get him to look me in the eye.
He is not beyond hope. Well, maybe I am.
You want to know what I do?
You want to see what I work on every night? Come on.
That's the tip of the iceberg.
A young mother with a boy Brian's age.
Killer did the same thing to him.
You want to see that photo? I got it here somewhere.
This one's interesting.
A woman who was stabbed, raped, breasts cut off.
一个女人被捅死 被强♥奸 乳♥房被切掉
Turns out it was her boyfriend, his brother, and their sister.
A little family affair.
Here's the one I'm working on now.
Lovely guy by the name of Jerry Brudos.
Murdered four women not much older than Julie.
Strung them up in his garage.
One of them came to his door accidentally.
One of them had car trouble.
One of them he grabbed from a parking garage
she was on her way to lunch with her mom.
The mom and the shoes.
Something happened there.
What was it?
The force of it.
Burning the shoes seared them into his mind as forbidden.
Which became part of the sexual fantasy.
Then the teacher had an entirely different reaction.
So he's getting mixed messages
from two adult women about his impulses.
Brudos said that he was attracted
to women's shoes before all of that.
He took the stilettos from the dump when he was five.
Not everyone agrees with Freud's theories on sexuality,
but he did hit upon how young we are
when we start to form preferences.
So when did that come in?
How did it get tied to his sexuality?
Was there a point at which someone could have... intervened?
Well, you're asking the right questions.
I want the right answers.
Don't we all.
I'm glad you're here. Well...
Bill. I've been thinking about another angle with Brudos.
比尔 对于布鲁多斯 我在考虑另一角度
Remember what Wendy said about deflecting responsibility?
Fairfield Police Department.
May I speak with Detective McGraw?
This is Bill Tench with the FBI.
He's out right now. Can I take a message? Yes.
他出去了 我帮你留言 好
Ask him to look at the photos from the Ada Jeffries case.
Ada Jeffries? That's right.
Tell him to look at the knots that were used to tie her up.
They're nautical and Fairfield is landlocked.
Okay, I'll let him know. Thank you.
好 我会转达的 谢谢
You're back on Fairfield? We said we'd take a look.
Are you sure there's still something...
Holden, leave me alone.
Somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed.
What I was saying yesterday about remaining objective,
you were right, it's bullshit.
It's very hard.
I've been around crazy.
I was in the army.
Road School was a cakewalk.
I didn't mind talking about this stuff.
But what the fuck did I even know?
These people are extremely damaged,
and they know how to cause damage.
I'm running on fumes.
Can you take a break?
No. Talk to someone?
I'm talking to you. No, a professional.
我这不正跟你聊吗 不 跟专业人士聊
You are professional.
I'm your coworker. I can't be your therapist.
Therapist? It's not like that.
Times have changed. You don't have to be the good soldier.
He's fucking immune.
How do I tap into that?
Hello, there. Oh, my God. You look fantastic.
你好啊 天啊 你真美
So do you.
I am so happy to be done with exams.
I made dinner.
That was astounding.
Well, don't sound so surprised.
You've been holding out on me. Isn't that what nice girls do?
It worked. Marry me.
So I can cook for you? No.
To your culinary skills.
To your fellatio skills. Just stop.
To changing my life.
To opening my mind.
Inspiring me to go back to school.
Wasn't this toast about me?
I want you to know that I see you.
How dedicated you are, how disciplined.
You have the courage to follow your curiosity.
And you put up with my tendency to go on. That, I do.
I am truly delighted to be in your life.
Hold that thought.
You don't like it?
No, I love it.
Are you okay?
It's just... not you.
Yeah, Holden. That's the point.
对 霍尔登 要的就是这样