I understand what you're trying to do, and I appreciate it.
Using Career Week to discuss early intervention,
it's a great idea.
I had been thinking about how we educate kids when you called.
And coming from the FBI, it is a powerful statement.
But how do I get it across if I can't use these words?
If you use that, I guarantee you that at least one of them,
Jenny Cromer, Michael Stahl,
these are confident, curious children.
They will ask you what "Mutilation" means.
And I can describe it, and specifically... And then...
我会解释描述 特别是... 然后
a few of them will go home,
they'll have nightmares,
and tomorrow I'll be fielding calls from parents
who will be justifiably concerned...
Parents should be discussing this, too. Absolutely.
And if I had the time
to build a foundation for their understanding,
I'd be on board.
So no "Torture."
Could I say "Hurting"?
What about "Being mean" to animals?
You really think that "Pyromania" is too much?
My students will not know what that is. "Arson"?
Deviant"? They will not know what that is.
"越轨行为" 他们不懂这词什么意思 "
Even if I used it in context?
We need to prepare them for the world, yes.
But we also need to protect them from it.
Guess I could say...
Listen, Agent Ford.
Show them your badge.
They'll be thrilled.
My job at the FBI is to
study people who exhibit disturbing behavior.
If I can classify this behavior,
I can help the police
catch these people when they commit a crime.
But lately I've been asking myself:
can we stop these people
from becoming disturbing in the first place?
That's where you come in.
By your age, we can start seeing the signs.
In this whole classroom, statistically speaking,
disturbing behavior would show up in about one of you.
Say you have a friend who likes lighting fires.
I mean, deliberately setting things on fire, like toys or trash.
Another sign that your friend is disturbed,
is if he shows a lack of remorse.
That is, if he's done something wrong,
he doesn't feel bad about it.
Yes. Are only boys disturbed?
Perhaps I should be saying he or she,
but yes, actually, it is mostly males who are disturbed.
Another thing you should be aware of at your age
is the way we treat animals.
Now animals are nice to us, so we should be nice back.
But say you have a friend who is being mean to an animal.
Very mean. You should take note of that.
My brother throws rocks at our dog.
Well, that doesn't sound very nice, but let me ask you:
are they big rocks or little rocks?
Medium rocks. Okay.
The kind of behavior towards animals
that I'm talking about is, um...
It's not just about being mean to animals, it's...
It's about hurting the animal,
and you'll know when that's happening
because an animal will let you know when it is being hurt.
In any case, if you see this,
you should tell a teacher, or your mom, or your dad.
The idea is that you stop your friend, who is a disturbing kid,
from becoming a disturbing adult,
because one day he may start being mean to people.
Who wants to see my badge?
It means so much to these students
that someone like yourself would take an interest.
Sure, that was great. They're very smart.
Top standardized test scores in the district.
Well, if you want to do any more outreach, just let me know.
Don't say that, I'll hold you to it. Thanks again.
别这么说 我还会麻烦你的 再次谢谢你
I'm Janet Ebner. I teach fourth grade here.
May I have a moment? Sure.
I know you weren't here today to talk to us,
but I've heard about some behavior
that I'd classify as disturbing.
Well, odd at the very least, but I believe my instincts are good.
It all starts with instinct.
And I'm not the only one.
Some of the other teachers are concerned,
several parents, certain members of the school board.
We even took it to the local police.
What is it?
Let's go to the staff room. This way.
He has a thing for tickling. Who does?
Principal Wade, Roger, tickles the children.
Where? In his office.
I mean, where on the body?
Sometimes a child will go to his office for disciplinary reasons,
that's when it happens.
Is it punishment?
I think it's supposed to mitigate the punishment,
but then he gives them money.
For what? Nickels.
He gives them nickels if they can withstand the tickling.
that is odd.
It's completely inappropriate. Has anybody talked with him?
The board questioned him, nothing happened.
But somebody took it to the police?
I did, at the urging of some parents.
Parents asked you to go to the police?
I talked to a Detective Barr.
He said they'd look into it, write something up.
That was five months ago.
Have you seen a report?
No, it's like the whole thing went away.
Maybe you could check in with him.
This isn't exactly my area.
This is what you were talking about.
At least by our definition at the Behavioral Science Unit,
tickling is not considered deviant behavior.
Deviant? You said "Disturbing."
Whatever's going on here is obviously nuanced.
I'd have to witness it or at least get his version.
Do you have children? Not yet.
Imagine one of those seven year olds is yours.
Principal Wade has her take off her shoes and socks
so that he can tickle her feet.
Wouldn't you be worried
one day he'd ask her to take something else off?
Put a call in, please?
Where were you? I was worried.
Sorry, my car's in the shop.
I had to wait for Patrick to give me a ride.
Patrick? Yeah, you know, from my psych class.
帕特里克 嗯 我心理课的同学
These used to be cold.
Put ice in it. Gross.
Here, I'll stick it in the freezer.
Remember the last time you did that?
I would've picked you up.
At school? No, it's way too far out of your way.
去学校 不 太远了
So what happened to your car?
You, Debbie Mitford, took your car in for maintenance?
I've kind of been forgetting to put oil in it.
You seized your engine?
Something like that.
The guys at the shop gave me enough grief, so maybe you don't have to.
I don't think I can not give you grief.
My dad used to remind me to change my oil.
Maybe you could do the same.
Maybe you should get Patrick to remind you.
You are so stupid.
Am I? Yes.
Why is it so hard to stay mad at you?
I don't know.
Nickels for tickles.
You don't think it's harmless fun?
No, it's creepy and disgusting.
I would not want any principal touching my kid's feet.
He seems like a good guy. And he's been great for that school.
Did the superintendent talk to him?
I don't know. I should ask.
My cousin had this first grade teacher
who would give her a sticker
if she'd let him pinch her cheek. He did it to all the girls.
It only came out years later
that he was pinching some of them in other places.
Was he ever caught? No.
She didn't find out until her classmates started comparing notes
at a high school reunion.
Kids won't talk about that stuff when they're little.
They assume the adult is right,
especially if he's an authority figure.
I wonder how many girls he did that to.
Well, he was a teacher for 40 years.
I can't believe it didn't come out.
There were whispers, but by that point he was retired.
It's escalating behavior...
just like with Brudos and Roger.
Almost like they can't help themselves.
They've got this... compulsion.
You think Roger is in any way similar to Brudos?
Both of them sure like these.
Looks like somebody else does, too.
I have to go back to Oregon this week.
Nine more rounds with Butterball Brudos.
if you need a ride home from school again,
Excuse me, Officer.
Can I help you? Know Detective Barr?
Women like that are always looking for a pot to stir.
She seemed genuinely concerned.
She wasn't married, as I remember.
What does that have to do with it?
She's got extra energy.
Apparently, some parents are concerned, too.
She said that, but I never saw them.
Did you follow up at all?
There's no victim. No one's pressing charges.
He's touching kids.
Giving them money for it.
He's tickling kids, that's not a crime.
I can't arrest him unless he does something illegal.
I explained this to Ms. Ebner,
I shouldn't have to explain it to the FBI.
Unless you're gonna start predicting what people do.
May I see the report?
Why am I reading this? I thought we might look into it.
A foot tickler?
It could be a form of podophilia... like Brudos.
This guy's a grade school principal with no record.
People are concerned. No one will help them.
Just one teacher. No.
I talked to the superintendent.
Some members of the school board have been complaining.
Holden, we have a stack of applications to review.
I don't see your stack getting shorter.
I looked at them, they are all "Nos." No as in, don't even interview?
我看过了 都不行 意思是连面试都不用吗
They're greenhorns. So were you.
We mainly need someone to take over transcribing.
They're all gunning to talk to lust murderers.
They bring nothing to the table.
Want me to take us to the airport tomorrow?
I decided last night. I'm not going.
What? I'm not going back to Oregon.
You expect me to interview Brudos alone?
If you want.
But we were just getting him to open up.
That's why I'm not going.
When did you get so fragile?
Bill... I do not want to do this alone.
So don't. We have a ton of material from last time.
Not nearly enough.
I just came up with a whole new strategy. Go for it.
You're really not coming.
I'm really not coming.
Okay. Then I'll just show him
that one of us isn't a big, fat, fucking pussy.
Yeah. Show him that.
Something wrong? I can't close my recorder.
Give it to me.
I'm pretty handy.
I'm one of the only... inmates
they allow in hobby shop.
Yeah. I can use scissors under supervision.
嗯 在有人监管的情况下 我可以用剪刀
Leather boring tools.
The parole board should really take that into account.
And we're live. Okay.
So, uh, today...
I'd like to pick up with things... Where's Bill?
He couldn't be here this time. Did I scare him off?
We're doing some hiring back at the office.
Fresh meat for the mill?
That's exactly right.
Bill, I miss you.
Please come back.
Okay. I'd like to take it
from the murder of the second girl, Jane Weber.
Her car broke down on the highway, you pulled over.
Yeah, helped her out. How did you help her?
对 去帮她 怎么帮的
Said, "Let's go home, we'll call a mechanic."
我说 "回家吧 我们给修理工打电话"
Home to your house? Yeah.
Did you call the mechanic? Didn't get that far.
She was interested in my photography.
Did she also want to be a model? Yeah.
Funny how all these girls you met wanted that.
Women like men to pay attention to 'em.
So, did you...
Invited her to the garage.
Took some photos... What kind of photos?
You know, headshots.
Right. And after these headshots...
She decided to walk home.
And that's the last you saw of her.
Last anyone saw of her, as far as I remember.
Her body was found in the Willamette River
tied to an auto transmission to weigh it down.
The transmission was traced back to a car that you owned.
Yeah, I know.
You have any smokes?
So was that all part of the police plot?
The transmission, the photos, the foot... all of it.
变速器 照片 脚什么的 都是
someone killed those girls.
Yeah, I know. I have a whole theory about that.
Let's hear it.
Well... these girls are disappearing.
Body parts showing up in the river. Police get involved.
The killer realizes things are heating up and splits.
Probably chopping up girls in Seattle,
Idaho, Canada, as we speak.
Meanwhile, they need to blame someone.
They catch me sniffing around some coeds.
I'm not saying I'm an angel.
Search my house, find a few pairs of shoes,
decide I'm their fall guy.
Everyone feels safe, DA gets re elected, yada yada yada.
大家都觉得安全了 地检获得连任 诸如此类
It is a pretty big coincidence that you met a couple of the girls
that became his victims.
Do you think that he... planned his attacks?
Maybe the first one fell into his lap,
but then maybe after that, he got a taste for it.
Now that's interesting.
Because there were no photos of the first girl, right?
But the other three, it was like he was prepared.
Do you think that even before the first one,
he fantasized about murdering a woman?
What do you think he fantasized about?
Choking them, chopping them up, all that stuff they said I did.
掐死她们 分尸 就他们说我做的那些
So the murders were just an extension of thoughts he already had,
maybe for a long time.
You'd have to think about it pretty hard to go through with it.
You'd have to be... driven.
You mean like, out of control?
Maybe his real life was out of control,
but his fantasy life was...
A... place where he could feel powerful.
Makes sense. But then why...
Laura Sullivan was hit from behind.
Jane Weber was choked from behind.
Why would he do it that way?
Didn't want them looking at him?
It might not have been about watching them die.
You know, because then he would have tortured them, right?
It might just been about having them quiet.
So that he could play with them?
Like you'd play with a doll?
Yeah, there were all these photos of 'em in different positions.
Have intercourse with them? Sure.
But then he played with some of them before they died, as well.
Kathy Schmidt was photographed
in a piece of lingerie that was not hers.
Oh, she probably liked that.
Well, she was kidnapped from a parking garage.
How do you know she was kidnapped?
You think she went willingly?
All I'm saying is, all the women I meet...
Want to be models.
So do you think that with Kathy Schmidt it was consensual,
she didn't realize that she was going to be killed?
She may have been getting the feeling, you know.
I mean, he may have made it clear at a certain point
that she needed to take the pictures
if she wanted him to let her go.
She was playing along. Yeah.
Do you think the killer enjoyed that, too?
He might've thought that's what you get.
That's what you get when you want to be a model?
When you want people to look at you.
Do you think that the killer found it exciting to, uh...
get some of that control back in his real life?
Probably made him want more.
After he got a taste for it, like you said.
After he got a taste.
I guess... we all have fantasies, don't we?
I can remember my first fantasy of girls.
What was your first fantasy?
Must have been... nine or ten.
There was a woman in a tunnel. I'd trapped her there.
She was like this white shape in the darkness.
I made her do things.
At that point, there wasn't even anything sexual about it.
I just remember her...
begging for... mercy.
Do you still have fantasies, Jerry?
No. I don't.
Tell the parole board that.
Day three, he takes the stand.
Now we knew he was lying,
but it could've gone either way
because he had two other Klansmen to back him up.
So after lunch, I waited for cross examination.
I slide right behind his girlfriend.
I drape my arm across the back of her bench,
I lean in real close, so, uh...
The guy's eyes bug out.
He starts stammering, he comes completely unglued,
and we get a conviction. Amazing.
Thirteen years. That is great.
Great stories, Jim.
So nice to meet you.
Thanks for coming all the way up from Atlanta.
Word is out y'all are onto something big.
I couldn't wait to see for myself.
I hope we lived up to the hype.
Oh, you surpassed it.
We have to meet a few more people, but we can let you know soon.
I'll say it one more time, I'd love to join the team.
We'd love to have you. Thank you.
Nothing gets past you.
He's our best candidate. I think we should hire him.
Our list of potential subjects are 80,
percent white and probably racist.
甚至90%的人都是白人 可能还种族歧视 90
Does that mean no?
He could incite a response that affects the study.
That means no.
Don't put that on his assessment.
We can't be seen as racists.
I thought our newbies would be transcribing.
Did Brudos behave?
He was almost pleasant.
Seems repeat visits are important.
Did you confide in him about your cum sock?
Our new team member will train with transcription,
but we're looking for someone that has operations experience
so that we can expand our subjects' interviews.
Especially if Bill keeps wussing out. Stop whining.
How many people have you seen?
I didn't think you were interested in the process.
Well, look, the gang's all here. Come in.
This is Gregg smith, he's one of your candidates.
Gregg's done a lot of work in the field, he's a talented agent.
His dad and I studied pre law together at Dartmouth.
I hope you give him a good shake.
It's dark and all I see is his knuckles gripping the stock,
and he's yelling, "Halt! Police! Drop the gun!"
他大喊 "站住 警察 把枪放下"
I realize this guy is about to shoot me. Whoa.
And then I hear Mike yell, "He's an FBI agent!"
He saved my life.
Because I was frozen, I couldn't speak.
Uniform lowers his shotgun,
and we take off again after the driver.
Mike catches him and nearly beats the flimflam out of him
because he's so keyed up after watching me almost get blown away.
I had to pull him off the guy. But anyway...
a great partner.
Well, you did your partner a good deed. I bet he's grateful.
The guys call me "The Padre"
And they come to confession at my desk.
My mother's Catholic, my father's Quaker.
No shit. How does that work?
Our family joke was that we'd never run out of guilt or oats.
Are you religious?
Yes, ma'am. Dr. Carr.
信 长官 叫我卡尔博士
I have to admit that as a kid
I leaned toward the drama of the Church.