The organ, the incense,
Jesus rising from the dead Easter morning.
Do you believe that Jesus rose from the dead?
I am Christian. So is my wife.
She's Catholic. We've already got two little girls.
We're trying to slow play the whole big family thing.
Good and evil, right and wrong?
Are these concepts that you believe in? Yes, I do.
Binary thinking could hamstring you
when it comes to critical assessment of our subjects.
We need to understand the gray areas.
The world is complex, I get that.
I can check my judgment at the door.
The people we work with have done things
you don't even want to imagine.
I've read some of your cases.
It's one thing to read about it.
It's another to sit three feet away
from a guy who's delighted to tell you
how hard it was to stick his dick in his mother's neck
after he sawed off her head.
What made you apply for the study?
When I hear about girls disappearing...
This may sound corny,
but I want to make the world a safer place for them.
He's smart. He's a family guy. He knows what's at stake.
他很聪明 顾家 清楚利害关系
He's got you wrapped around his little Ivy League finger.
You think it's an act? He's a mole for Shepard.
Come on. I'm serious.
When's the last time Shepard came down here?
He's trying to make sure
we're not smearing the good name of the FBI.
Don't kid yourself. We need Shepard.
His heart's in the right place. I think Agent smith is earnest.
And that's a good thing? What about a trial period?
To see if we can beat the flimflam out of him?
What's going on?
Just seeing what he can take.
What do you got him on? Bittaker and Norris.
Are you trying to get rid of this guy?
So listen. This thing with Roger Wade...
Who? The principal at Shady Lane Elementary.
The foot tickler?
After I talked to the superintendent,
the school board had a meeting.
You've got to be kidding. They're begging us to look into it.
They're begging? They're... asking.
Our LEAA review is coming up,
what are you still doing on this goose chase?
Gregg can finish the paperwork. Let's give this a day.
There are meaningful signs here.
You're not dragging me into this.
What's the point
if we don't apply it to the real world?
We're trying to save women
from getting pulled into vans and cut to pieces,
not crucify some schoolmarm who hasn't done anything.
Yet. Certainly our goal is to be preemptive.
We're the FBI, Holden. That is not our goal.
我们是联调局的 霍登 那不是我们的目标
still want this job?
The students certainly don't complain. They enjoy the contact.
Yes, but as you said to me when I was here before,
it might be best for parents to determine...
We are a community.
And I want the children to know that.
In the five years that I've been here,
their test scores have gone up almost 30 percent.
And it's not because I'm a strict disciplinarian,
or I pile on the homework, or I cut recess.
It is because I apply a personal touch.
These children matter to me. That is quite clear.
We have special games, sports,
art projects, teamwork activities.
I am teaching happiness.
With all of that, why the need to tickle?
All right, let me give you an example.
We had this child, six years old,
who said he sprained his ankle playing kickball
and didn't want to go back to class.
The nurse calls me down because his ankle is not swollen,
but he's still claiming that it hurts.
Now... I don't want to call him a liar.
So, I wiggle his big toe.
Does it hurt when this little piggy goes to market?
How about when this little piggy stays home? He smiles.
He says that it tickles. So I tickle his feet.
The next thing I know, he's laughing.
He's happy, he goes back to class.
Did you also give him a nickel? I'm sure I did.
So the next time he goes to the store, he can get himself...
I don't know, what can you get for a nickel these days?
A piece of bubble gum?
Agent Ford, you're blowing this out of proportion.
We need to work on your interview technique.
Sorry, was I supposed to be hard on him?
You shouldn't team up.
Did you think that "Piggy goes to market" stuff was weird?
Oh, my kids love "Piggy Goes to the Market."
Yeah, your kids love it from you. A tickle's a tickle.
是 那是因为你 只是挠痒而已
Maybe that's all it is, but...
if there is a sexual angle,
Roger would no doubt be good at hiding it.
When Kemper went in for his last psychiatric evaluation,
he had a 15 year old girl's head in the trunk of his car.
It gave him a thrill to persuade the committee successfully
that he was over his psychological problems,
knowing that he had a trophy outside.
Isn't that kind of extreme?
You get the idea.
I'm glad Janet finally did something.
Someone had to.
So you don't approve of Roger's behavior?
I've always thought that tickling was bizarre enough,
but then I get parents coming to me,
asking why their children suddenly have pocket change.
How long has this gone on for?
I've only been at Shady Lane two years.
It sounds like it goes back further than that.
Why are parents complaining to you? Why not go to Roger?
He brushes them off, he's unapologetic,
and he's a big deal around here.
I agreed to meet with you so I could share my thoughts,
but I hope it doesn't get back to him.
You think he'd retaliate? I don't know.
It's a small school, everyone seems to know about the tickling.
How do the children respond to his tickling?
They endure it.
They know they're going to get paid.
I have students coming back from his office,
showing off their earnings.
What did you think of Roger when you first came here,
before you knew about this?
I thought he was smug.
I transferred because I heard how great this place is,
but then that's all he talks about.
He really toots his own horn.
The teachers are supposed to be cheerleaders.
And I've always been
uncomfortable with how he handles the children.
What do you mean? He's always fussing over them.
Well, it's always touchy touchy and cutesey cutesey.
Mrs. Clark, could you make a list of parents and teachers
that feel the same way?
We're meeting with a slight handful,
but we'd like to get a sense of the whole picture.
Is something wrong?
I don't want a witch hunt. I'm not vindictive.
I just wish he'd listen.
The students love Roger.
When he visits the class, I know it's going to be an easier day.
He can turn a moody room into an eager one just by walking in.
You've heard about the tickling?
When my kids come back from his office, they seem happy.
What do you think about it?
He turns punishment into play.
He makes it a positive experience.
Nothing could be better for them.
Have you had any parent complaints?
The parents I've talked to are thrilled.
Except about property taxes.
Shady Lane has made this a desirable neighborhood.
What do you think of Janet Ebner?
Well, I don't like to speak ill of people, but she's a busybody.
What do you think of Mrs. Clark?
She's a crab.
Okay. I think that's all we need.
Thank you for talking with us. Thank you.
So nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.
He came home from Steve's house and his tongue was blue.
It's not like Steve's mom to give him candy, so I questioned him.
Found out they walked to the corner store without asking,
and bought Pop Rocks.
Boys will be boys.
That's not the point.
We're, uh, in discussions about
how much leeway Jason is allowed at this age.
Anyway, he's evasive when I ask him where he got the money.
So, I call Steve's mom.
She's having the same conversation with her son.
Turns out they got it from Roger.
giving them money without telling the parents.
But then we find out,
and this is why Jason wouldn't tell me in the first place,
he and Steve were fighting on the playground...
They were kicking mud at each other, they weren't fighting.
They were fighting, they got sent to Roger's office.
He seats them side by side,
makes them take off their shoes and socks,
and does this double tickling thing.
Was Jason uncomfortable with the tickling?
I don't think Jason understood that it was inappropriate.
No, he wasn't uncomfortable.
The boys made up again, all buddy buddy.
But they're nine year olds. Almost ten.
I could see it if they were toddlers, if this was preschool.
And then there's the money.
And you went to Roger? Yeah. We sat down with him.
你们去找过罗杰吗 嗯 跟他谈过
He made it sound like we were perverts for even asking.
How dare we deny our boy the, um, affection that he provides?
Something like that. I came away with the strangest feeling.
Yeah, I mean, if you don't want people touching your kid...
A middle aged man touching your child's feet.
You should be able to tell them stop.
Did you ask him to stop?
Absolutely. And he said... Oh, yeah, listen to this.
当然 结果他说... 听好了 这是原话
My covenant is not with you, it's with your son."
"我的誓约不是和你们定下的 是跟你们的儿子" "
Covenant"? He used that word?
"誓约" 他用了这个词吗 "
Is he religious?
I don't know. It's an odd choice.
The whole thing is odd.
What do you think should be done about him?
Well, I thought about suing.
We want to protect Jason,
but we aren't sure.
And he wasn't traumatized. I mean, quite the opposite.
We thought you might have suggestions,
because we don't know what to do.
Yeah, we don't know.
That's the third set of parents who don't like it.
I guess they should have a say. I think they should.
But is there anything going on? Is Roger dangerous?
Everyone seems to agree the children don't mind.
What about when one does?
Jerry Brudos kept his urges in check until something triggered him.
After that, everything escalated.
What if a kid decides to resist Roger?
I read the Brudos files.
He had a history of offenses.
I know it's a leap, but there is a correlation.
I don't think Roger can help
himself with the kids any more than Brudos could stop killing.
In fact, giving them money might
encourage them to go to his office for "Punishment."
Why don't we ask him to stop? People already have.
Let's tell him then. We're the fucking FBI.
Let's see if Mrs. Lane can come by in the morning, before school.
It's her first year and I think she's having some trouble
managing her students.
Mr. Wade, can we talk?
And, um, let's make a note
I've signed off on the lesson plan... In private?
After speaking with several parents and teachers,
we're advising you to stop touching the children.
It's a trivial activity. Simply stopping will satisfy everyone.
小事一桩 停止这种行为 大家都满意
It is not trivial.
Don't make me sound like some stranger in a raincoat.
We're here at the request of the superintendent.
The superintendent of the schools sent the FBI to advise me
to stop tickling children?
I have been a principal for 15 years.
There hasn't been a shadow on my record until now.
How dare you.
How dare you accuse me
of being inappropriate with my own students.
We're not accusing you. Some people are uncomfortable.
You are uncomfortable, Agent Ford. Why is that?
你觉得不舒服 福特探员 为什么
When I was here for Career Day, you asked me to edit my speech.
You were worried how it would
affect the teachers and students. So I did.
I heard your concerns, I followed your advice.
I am advising you to hear the concerns
of your teachers and your school board...
You didn't know what the hell you were doing that day.
You still don't.
Deviant." "Torture." "Mutilation."
"越轨行为" "折磨" "毁尸" "
That is your world, and it has made you paranoid.
That is not my school.
I am telling you this for your own good.
We all have to choose between trust and fear.
If you ever do have children,
I hope that you'll think
long and hard about how you want to raise them.
Did we do the right thing?
Is this a federal issue?
What are you doing? Studying.
Can I come in?
I really need to study.
You really have to leave me alone. I will. I promise.
你不能打扰我 我不会 我保证
You gotta promise promise.
What are you reading?
The Presentation of Self in Everyday Life.
Sounds interesting. It is interesting.
What's it about? Please, Holden.
说什么的 别这样 霍尔登
You promised and I really have to finish this.
It could help with your own to describe what you're learning.
It's by Erving Goffman.
He posits that life is like theater.
We tailor ourselves to fit the parts that we're playing.
For instance, there's the expectation that girls should be nice,
that they should smile. Okay.
You know, I once tried not smiling for a day,
and it was really weird.
Why? You're not much of a smiler.
Even so, it made me feel really odd
and it freaked people out.
Strangers kept asking, "Are you okay?"
Did you want to smile? No.
Not once I realized what I was doing.
Goffman says we wear these masks
to make everyone else comfortable.
Like you and your suits.
We're not talking about my clothes again.
Your suit is your uniform you wear to fit in at Quantico.
I don't want to fit in. Everyone is trying to fit in.
Guess that explains your hippie thing, too.
My "Hippie" thing?
Your peasant tops, long hair, bracelets, leather sandals.
破烂上衣 长发 手镯 皮凉鞋
Helps you assimilate on campus. Right.
It's exactly the same.
What would you wear if no one were looking?
Probably nothing. What about you?
I'd wear my suit. So sad.
I wonder if that's why everyone's so confused about Roger.
He's taking an activity
normally reserved for family members at home
and applying it to the wrong environment.
I think that's different.
Look, I can't do this right now.
I have to finish because it's my semester project.
We're doing this thing tomorrow night.
Come, if you're interested.
Blacking out a room in the Sociology building
so people can interact
without actually being able to see each other.
My partner's making up a questionnaire for them
to describe who they think they've met.
Were you assigned?
Well, we're both working on this Goffman book.
Oh, so you just have mutual interests.
I guess so.
Certainly seems like it.
Is this you not smiling as part of your experiment or...
No, this is just me not smiling.
Shepard wants to see you.
Your little field trip.
How does he know about that?
Ah. Agent Ford.
The superintendent asked me to take a look at the situation.
And you said, "Oh, yeah,
this is exactly what we do here at the FBI."
I just thought with the correlations to the Brudos case...
Are you obsessed with feet? Is that it? No, sir.
你痴迷脚吗 是因为这个吗 不是 长官
Because that is the only connection I can see.
It is a thin one to say the least.
There were parents and teachers who were concerned.
I know the whole damn story.
We bumped into each other in the cafeteria.
This is not about how I know,
it is about what the hell were you thinking?
Sir, I thought I would see if
the things we're discovering in the interviews
could apply to real life situations.
The Bureau does not do that.
We do not get involved until a crime is committed
and has risen to the level of our radar.
With all due respect,
we've helped local law enforcement solve two murder cases.
You served in an advisory capacity... We interviewed suspects.
On cases where there were actual crimes.
I spent a single day on Roger Wade.
I was worried about children. I had to follow my intuition.
My intuition was what started this. I wanted to interview Kemper.
Without me, there would be no study, no funding.
没有我 就没有什么研究 也没资金
So now you know everything, is that it?
Now you're Superman, with X ray vision?
No, but I should be allowed a single day to...
Predict if someone might commit a crime?
Who are you, the fucking thought police?
Thank you both.
Agent smith, in your new BSU position,
the last thing you should be following is Agent Ford's intuition.
Surprise, surprise, he had my ass.
You gotta handed it to him. Thanks, Bill.
是你讨打 谢谢啊 比尔
Don't know what you were thinking. Apparently, no one does.
We'd like you to ask before you do something like that again.
What? Your behavior reflects on us.
You cannot use the study
as justification to launch personal campaigns.
Is that what you think I'm doing? I really don't know.
I can't imagine why you
would go after a respected school principal
with no history of abuse.
Because you weren't there. Even Gregg saw something wasn't right.
It's an incorrect application of the concepts
that I'm trying to teach you.
This has nothing to do with concepts. She's right, Holden.
这与概念无关 她说得对 霍尔登
What if some guy were tickling Brian's feet?
Don't bring my kid into this.
Not just some guy, but a guy in power,
the head of the school where he will be for years.
He not only tickles, but gives money for putting up with it.
Do not use my family as an example.
You ask him to stop, he won't do it.
You go to the police, they blow it off.
So it looks like Brian
is going to get paid to get his feet tickled,
and who knows what else, and there's nothing you can do.
I'd tell him to take his fucking hands off my kid,
just like I'm telling you to stop using him as an excuse
for your unprofessional behavior.
I heard you could make yourself start lucid dreaming,
so I got this book.
sort of self conscious. I'm just not sure the answer's...
某种自我意识 我不太确定答♥案... ...
Come on, guys.
Can you close the door, please?
Holden, this is Dan Cobb with the VEA.
I'm sorry to bother you this early,
but the school board will be meeting today
to make their decision regarding Roger Wade.
What kind of decision?
Well, we're thinking about letting him go.
We'd like to know if this
would be in line with your recommendation.
I really can't make a recommendation.
Yeah, I get that.
To be honest, we've been going in circles.
What troubles me is I believe he's developed a compulsion
that he's justifying as a choice.
Do you believe it's possible he can do something...
I can't say that his behavior
wouldn't escalate to something more serious.
Right. I see.
Well, it sounds like we should be erring on the side of caution.
Okay. Listen, thanks for your time.