Got another one.
Wish you were here."
Dear Holden, it's been some time since we've seen each other,
"亲爱的霍尔登 离我们上次见有一阵子了 "
and while the memory of your voice has faded,
what we discussed has not.
I've had more insights into my behavior,
which I'd like to share with you at your earliest convenience.
Warmest regards, Ed Kemper."
Ed Kemper writes you?
If OPR decides to pay a site visit...
Bill Tench. Bill, Detective Chambers.
比尔·坦奇 比尔 我是钱伯斯警探
Hey, Gordon, how's it going down there?
你好 戈登 一切还顺利吗
You're not gonna be happy.
I had Devier come in, suggested a polygraph.
I wanted to see his reaction, and he agreed to it.
You polygraphed him? That's right.
And he passed.
We don't get that result too often.
Because it only occurs six percent of the time.
It usually has to do with how the questions are worded.
Lab found Lisa's blood on the rock. Inconclusive.
Devier, he'd cleaned the car.
And so, no physical evidence. That's right.
这样一来 没有物证 没错
Think that's bad, the inconclusive?
Definitely won't put him away with it.
Worst case scenario, he's exonerated.
Can you hold a moment? Sure.
You get all that? They've got nothing on him?
Sounds like he was happy to take the polygraph.
Now he'll be cockier than ever.
See if he'll talk to us. There's no way.
How convinced are we that he's guilty?
What percentage convinced?
Hundred percent. I'm about 70.
It is no accident that this
tree trimmer was accused of rape in another county.
He'd have to be Mirandized.
It's a death penalty state. There's nothing in it for him.
He is a narcissist. Might just do it to prove that he can.
Have Chambers extend an invitation.
Hey, Gordon? Yeah.
Here's an idea.
Can you bring in Devier later?
p.m. Casual, a little evening chat.
晚上六七点 随意些 就是晚间闲聊 6, 7:00
Assure him he's not under arrest, but it's important,
the FBI wants to talk to him.
We're doing this after hours to be more casual?
Make it seem that way. He'll be tired, he'll let down his guard.
表面弄成这样 他会很累 放下戒备
Then he'll realize we're working overtime. We mean business.
Once he gets to the station, let him wait before we talk to him.
Okay. At least an hour.
That's supposed to...
You ever wait for test results in a doctor's office?
We need to create in him a visceral memory.
We need to elicit a physiological response.
We need a shoe. A shoe?
It's something we used to crack another sociopath.
We need to find the equivalent for Devier.
Show me everything you got on Devier. Brass.
This is it? That's it.
Okay, I need a lot more.
Several of these folders, make them thick.
Go to the copier. Use blank pages if you need to.
I want it to look like Manhattan Yellow Pages.
Evidence room? This way.
What have we here?
This is great. This is perfect.
Where's her baton? Her twirling baton?
She didn't have that on her. Okay.
Take all of this to the interview room.
You have anything from where the body was found?
Just on that shelf, the one below.
Well, all right.
Is there a five and dime around here?
Right off the square.
Get a baton, fine if it's cheap. Remove the price tag.
买一根指挥棒 便宜的也行 把价签撕掉
Drag it around in the dirt. Okay.
I don't want him to see evidence.
I want him to see a sweet little girl.
Listen, when we get Devier in here,
I'm gonna ask him questions that may make you uncomfortable.
Acing the polygraph just
lowered his blood pressure, so sit tight, okay?
All this an FBI thing?
It's, uh... his thing.
We have Devier coming across the street.
Come right through here.
So I'm going to have you wait down the hall here.
Wait while the agents come in. Bring back smokes or anything?
Yeah, that'd be great. All right.
Don't know how much more information I can provide,
but I'll help any way I can.
They just want to talk to you. Through here.
He's in there.
Gene, hello. I'm Special Agent Holden Ford.
吉恩 你好 我是特别探员霍尔登·福特
Special Agent Bill Tench.
Detective Chambers, you guys have met.
Thanks much for doing this. You've been Mirandized, right?
We're gonna do this as quickly as possible.
I'm sure you've got better things to do tonight.
Army life wasn't for me. I'll admit that.
Couldn't stand them barking orders at me all the time.
I like things more laid back, you know.
Working outdoors, the fresh air.
John, my boss, he was great about hiring me,
even with the discharge.
It seemed like a perfect fit.
Out in the weather, working with my hands.
Military's not for everyone.
You can't know that before you go in.
You went voluntarily?
Nam was pretty much over, figured it'd be low key.
越战基本打完了 想着也不会多辛苦 '
Looks like you've married and divorced twice.
What can I say? I'm popular with the ladies.
Or unpopular. Depending on how you look at it.
I made mistakes.
Married my first girl when we were 16.
Just after you dropped out of high school?
Yeah. Why'd you drop out?
Trouble sitting still.
School made me a little nuts, too.
So you married your first girl.
Why'd you split up? We were fighting all the time.
What about your second wife? Same story.
But you're living again with your first ex wife?
Yeah. I know. I know. It's kind of...
对 我知道 这有点...
Same story? Still fighting?
Sometimes. But she's not 16 anymore.
Nope. Oh, no.
The bloom of youth has faded.
You all got a lot of information on me.
The FBI is thorough.
Yeah, well, what am I, some kind of gangster?
Well, listen, I got to mosey out of here soon, so if we could...
Of course. Of course.
Let's get down to business.
You're really important to us, Gene.
You were on Lisa's street the week before she disappeared.
You had a bird's eye view of the entire place.
Yeah, but I mean, I didn't see nothing.
You know, I was focused on them trees. You got to be.
Especially when you're working the saw.
we're kind of grasping at straws here.
You're the closest thing we have to an eyewitness.
Well, I took your polygraph. I'm an open book.
you must have seen Lisa coming and going that week.
Maybe once or twice.
If she wore that outfit, couldn't have missed her.
Yeah. Oh, yeah, I guess I saw her in that a couple of times.
Feathered hat, silver baton?
What time she catch the school bus in the morning?
Well, let's see, I'd get there about 7:00,
she'd come out maybe half hour later.
And what time did the bus drop her back off?
Oh, I can't say.
Um, I mean, maybe 3:30, 4:00.
Ever see her talk to anyone when she got off the bus?
Anyone on her street who looked like he didn't belong there?
Not that I can recall, but, I mean...
I wasn't even working the week that she disappeared.
Oh, hold on, it almost ended.
That's what she had on her that day.
By all accounts, she was a sweet kid.
Yeah, she seemed real friendly.
You noticed that?
You know, just saw her
playing in the yard with her dog, you know.
I mean, I guess you could say she was...
Did you ever talk to her?
No. She ever talk to you?
Waved a time or two.
Was she a cheerleader? Majorette.
Those girls on the dance team are something else.
I always had the hots for them.
she looks pretty tasty in that outfit, doesn't she?
她穿着制服 秀色可餐啊 是不是
Sure. It's very revealing.
Yeah, I guess.
You guys don't think so?
Definitely looks older than 12.
See, that's what I thought.
Okay. Thank you. So it's not just me?
Well, these girls these days, they're developing so early.
Of course, Lisa was in junior high.
Whoever picked her up might not have known that.
I mean, I'm sitting here wracking my brain,
trying to remember if I saw someone, but...
We believe he thought she was older
She was friendly, probably came up to him.
He thought if they got together, it'd be consensual.
Well, 14 is the age of consent.
Is that right?
I guess Georgia's kind of forward thinking in that respect.
I mean, by the time a woman has hair on her pussy,
you'd think she'd be able to decide who gets a piece of it.
I mean, yeah, man. I never thought about it like that before,
but, yeah. But it's kind of true.
Could make a case. Some women shave down there.
You ever see that? No.
They look so young.
Have you seen it? No, but heard tell.
那你见过吗 没 但我听说过
I tried to get my girlfriend to do it. You think she would?
She's considering. What did you even say to her?
I told her, "Honey, this turns me on."
我跟她说 "宝贝 这让我欲♥火中烧"
Just direct like that?
Yeah, I don't know if she's gonna do it.
Women have their own minds these days, but it sure would be hot,
don't you think?
You got to make it with that young pussy before it turns into Mom.
She's chatting him up,
maybe he's thinking she looks old enough to wear this outfit,
twirl a baton, march in the band,
probably got some hair on her, but not too much.
Let's take a break.
You need a break, Gene?
No, I'm okay. Well, I need a break.
I am gravely concerned with this line of questioning.
I told you, you need to relax.
If it came out in court we suggested the girl flirted with him...
How would it come out? He turned off the tape.
Yeah, I saw that.
I don't know about that, either.
You agree with this?
In theory. Not so much in practice.
I will take full responsibility for what happens in there.
Most people would call it a cherry picker,
but the industry term would be a boom lift or a boom truck.
What's the highest you've been? About 50 feet.
In a tree? That's right.
But you're in a harness, right?
Well, of course, at that height.
But sometimes you got to get out to get them faraway limbs.
Don't look down, huh? No, that don't bother me no more.
You saw Lisa waving to you a couple of times.
Must not have been too far up to see that.
No, I'm not too sure.
She ever talk to you? No.
But I already told you that.
We have one person, said she saw the two of you talking.
Well, I thought I was your star witness.
Only one watching the street.
Listen, you're a good looking guy.
Did she just come up to you, being friendly?
She sees you up there every day, sweating away in the hot sun.
Could she have maybe offered you a soda?
She could've come up and talked to me.
Can you remember?
I guess. It's coming back to you.
Just that... she could've talked to me.
What did she say?
I don't know. You don't?
No. No idea at all?
You weren't listening?
I can't recall.
She ask you about your work,
your day, where you live?
Something like that.
差不多吧 small talk.
I bet she thought you were a handsome cuss.
I don't know.
You think she was pretty?
We've already established she looked at least 14.
I guess I thought so. You thought what?
That she was cute. She was precocious, too.
Didn't mind that you were older.
She probably kind of liked it.
Yeah. I kind of thought she was into me.
When your job ended and you weren't on that street anymore,
you still think about her?
No. You ever go back by the house,
see if she wanted to talk some more?
I mean, she started things, right?
毕竟 是她先搭讪你的 对吧
What about this jacket?
You ever see her wear this?
Here, take a closer look.
When you picked her up from the bus, was she wearing this jacket?
There was a lot of blood at the crime scene.
We haven't revealed too many details,
but Lisa's skull was crushed.
That blood goes everywhere.
In crimes involving blunt force trauma,
it's almost impossible for the attacker
to avoid getting his victim's blood on him.
The scalp has thousands of capillaries.
Blood sprays everywhere, like a fine mist.
It gets in your hair, up your nose.
I'd be amazed if you didn't get any on you.
He's washed since then. What's under your fingernails, Gene?
他洗掉了 你指甲缝里的是什么 吉恩
I think it's just dirt, Bill. Maybe we should take a sample.
污垢而已 比尔 也许我们该采集个样本
He scrubbed his nails by now. Is it in your ears?
I bet it is in your ears.
When was the last time you cleaned your ears?
You want to take a sample Bill? Can we do that?
你想采个样本吗 比尔 我们可以吗
Yeah. I can arrange that.
You've gone quiet.
Normally when we accuse somebody of murder,
if they haven't done it, they won't shut up.
They protest their innocence.
Oh, God, yeah.
How dare you? fuck you. I know my rights."
"你怎么敢 去你的 我清楚我的权利" "
A guilty guy will clam up, start listening intently,
which is what you're doing.
If a guilty guy yells to make you think he's innocent,
you can always tell the difference. Sure can.
Why do you keep looking at that rock Gene?
An innocent man would have to guess its significance.
It's what was used to kill Lisa, wasn't it?
When things got out of hand.
You didn't mean to, right?
She came up to you, she seemed friendly,
and then everything went sideways.
The question for us isn't "Did you do it?"
We know that you did it.
The question for us is...
We think we know why, and we understand.
All you have to do is tell us if we're right.
Can you teach this stuff? We should.
Bill, why are not we teaching profiling at the Academy?
Because we're still figuring it out.
You like this bourbon? Yeah.
Now, what I can't get over is the rock.
He could not control his reaction.
Everybody has a rock. What do you mean?
Something that makes them sweat.
Like, for example, my senior year of college.
I came home for Christmas,
I'm sitting at the kitchen table with my dad,
and my mom brings over some eggnog.
And she hands me a glass and she says,
Holden, have you had sexual relations with a woman?"
"霍尔登 你和女孩子有过性关系吗" "
Jesus, no. Yeah.
我的天 不是吧 是的
And I say, "Uh, yeah, Mom, I have."
然后我就说 "有啊 妈妈 发生过"
And she says, "What's her name?"
And I say, "Well, actually, Mom, there's been a few."
我说 "妈 其实不止一个"
Oh! And then she says, "Holden...
who's going to have you as a husband now?"
I'm telling you,
if she asked me that again today,
the exact same thing would happen. I would completely fall apart.
She's your rock.
Let's be clear.
All he did was put the killer's murder weapon in front of him.
Bill, come on.
We posited that the killer might feel guilty.
And then, I just...
created a situation where the guilt completely overwhelmed him.
It wasn't guilt.
It was the pucker of "Oh, shit, I'm going to the electric chair."
How'd you come up with this stuff?
By interviewing Richard Speck,
and Jerry Brudos, and Ed Kemper.
You talked to them firsthand?
And we've got Manson and Berkowitz on the wish list.
Unbelievable. What are they like?
Well, I don't think I'm speaking out of turn here when I say...
they are fucked up.
So what did you say to him?
I got him talking about how hot young girls are,
how they often look older than their age.
But it was the net effect.
I laid out everything she had on her,
a portrait of the last day in the life of a 12 year old girl.
So you staged it. Like a director.
Only he didn't know he was playing a role in your drama.
That is what made it a nail biter.
No one could have scripted the reveal of the rock.
He completely freaked.
You could suddenly smell BO in the room.
But you were convinced he was guilty before you went in.
Well, it was pretty obvious.
Yes, but presupposed.
Is it a fair experiment
if you're working backward from a conclusion?
If your theory is proven right.
Holden, you drove him to an emotional response.
I helped put a child murderer behind bars.
Like Perry Mason?
That's right. Only Perry Mason never got off on it.
Please stop analyzing me.
I'm not analyzing you.
You run this little commentary on everything I do.
I was talking about your work.
That's how we communicate, right?
You talk about your job, I give my opinion.
Maybe I don't always want to hear your opinion.
You mean when I'm not in agreement with you.
Could you just be my girlfriend?
Could you just listen?
You mean shut up and adore you?
Well, you could try it. Once.
I would say that making furniture from human remains
qualifies as organized.
This is apparently the talk of the Atlanta office.
Darrell Gene Devier cracks
under the questioning of a new type of FBI agent."
Is that supposed to be us? Who the fuck do you think?