A dialogue about what?
I'm an instructor in the Bureau's
training and recruitment program out of Quantico.
And we really need to hear from people like you.
I'm sorry, are you trying to recruit me?
Just to hear your perspectives and your insights.
I'm sorry. You call yourself a professor of criminal psychology.
But you won't even talk to the educational arm of the FBI?
a sign of the times, man.
Have you lost your appetite? Did these sad fucking hippies
seriously believe that they're
worthy of an enormously costly,
labor intensivefederal surveillance operation?
It sounds like the contempt is mutual.
Don't you think that the
traditional counterculture law enforcement enmity
is a little old hat by now?
They'll never forgive you for putting a tail on John and Yoko.
Frankly, I'm just surprised to
have aroused such a degree of fucking neuroses
amongst supposedly intelligent people.
Please, they're flattering themselves.
They think you're wearing a wire.
There. You're one of us now.
Okay, everything's all right. Come on. Right. Yeah. Okay.
好了 没事的 出来吧 对
Come on out, Sonny. They're too close!
Come on, get back! What the fuck are you doing? Get back!
快退后 你们他妈在干什么 退后
Get them back.
Get back, okay? Come here.
退后 好吗 过来
Come on out.
Now take a look at this. Come on.
Hey, look. Look up here. Look.
Look over here. Huh?
Over there. Look. You got everything here, okay?
看那儿 你都看到了 行了吧
Okay. So what are they doing wrong?
They're making him mad. They're making him scared.
So? We do not want him scared.
We want him calm.
Let me call and see what they say.
I'll talk to them and ask, all right?
Then we'll see. Anything else I can give you?
Yeah, I want you to bring my wife down here.
Okay, what do you give us?
What do you want?
The guy is robbing a bank
to pay for a sex change for his boyfriend.
He wants a helicopter with a piano.
But more than anything, he wants to talk to his wife.
Complicated, right? Yeah.
很复杂 不是吗 是
Trust me on this.
Always expect complicated.
Okay, I need you to concentrate.
Think of an opening salvo, then think where it could lead.
No right or wrong answers,
just use your imagination and see where it takes you.
Start whenever you like. Go ahead.
All right. I'm asking you to put the gun down, Mike.
好 我请你把枪放下 麦克
No way. Kiss my black ass, Mark.
没门 来亲我的黑屁♥股呀 马克
For the purpose of this exercise, I'm imagining I'm Negro.
That's good. That's fine. Keep it going.
很好 没事 继续
Just whatever comes into your head.
Then fuck you! I asked you to put that gun down.
No, fuck you, you dumb cracker motherfucker.
不 去你♥妈♥的 蠢货混♥蛋白鬼
Wait, wait a minute. What is all that?
It's jive talk.
We don't need to get into that. Forget vernacular.
In real life, people just press their demands.
Put the gun down, Steve.
We brought your children to see you.
Oh, my God. I lost custody.
I haven't seen my children in years.
Important not to talk to
a divorced man about his children. Try a different tactic.
提到他的孩子 这很重要 换个策略试试
All right, I asked nicely. Now put the fucking gun down.
Why don't you make me, faggot? What?!
你怎么不动手啊 死基佬 什么
I'm no faggot, you motherfucker!
Okay, let's dial it back a little.
Excuse me. What is the point of this?
Psychologically preparing you for reality.
And the reality is, you have to talk to them.
Somebody demands the impossible, you can't just shoot him.
Then why have so much firearms training?
Well, because that is
a tactical response for when all else fails.
But if local law enforcement can't shut something down,
then it has required a tactical response.
Okay, but wouldn't you like to try something different?
Or would you rather use firearms all the time?
I'd kind of rather use firearms. Why?
Holden, I enjoyed that immensely. What do you call that?
霍尔登 这方法我很喜欢 叫什么来着
It's just role playing in a simulated hostage situation.
Stimulated? Simulated.刺♥激 模拟
All that profanity, is that an academic thing?
They're improvising. They're learning to create a dialogue.
How is all that cursing creating a dialogue?
It's not really about the cursing.
I'm sure it's all quite
modern and fashionable in academic circles,
but it seems very theatrical to me.
Well, in criminal psych, role playing exercises
are considered a valuable tool,
with or without the cursing.
I think we have enough exercises here at the Academy.
If you're going to start implementing new ones,
talk to somebody in the Behavioral Science Unit.
They can help?
They can go over the soundness of the psychology.
That's their thing.
Okay, good idea.
Why don't I set that up? Okay.
Thank you, yes.
Holden, right? Holden Ford?
Bill Tench. Behavioral Science.
Oh, great to meet you.
You had a beer with Peter Rathman? Interesting guy.
I was kind of disturbed by what he said.
You were, huh?
Can we sit? Yes. Please.
坐下聊好吗 行 smoke?
I don't smoke when I eat.
Want to go outside?
I don't smoke when I don't eat either.
So did Shepard talk to you about my thing?
He did his best.
What does that mean?
He can be pretty old school.
I call this place "The country club," because, you know,
it can be a little starchy sometimes.
I hear that.
You went back to college, right?
How old are you, 26, 27?
你几岁 26 27
Lot of guys your age don't want to go back to school
because they feel it undermines their authority.
I was hoping it would give me some authority.
He's got you doing recruitment, right?
Yeah, well, I'm there, so I might as well make myself useful.
是 反正都去了 想着让自己有点作为
Most guys don't want to get stuck doing recruitment.
They're busy working their way upwards.
I guess I'm busy working my way sideways.
You are what they call a "Blue flamer." You know what that is?
No. What does that mean?
You're so eager to do good,
you have a big, blue flame shooting out of your asshole.
Is that bad?
Just take it slow. You'll get there in the end.
I'm just trying to be a better instructor.
Right. Well, I was thinking about that.
I started this thing a couple of years ago.
I go on the road and give classes in various police departments
from Buffalo, New York to San Diego, California.
There's a million cops out there who want to know what we know.
So I go to them, give them a distillation of what we teach here,
and they tell me what they've been doing.
They learn something,
and I learn something firsthand
by getting involved on their level.
But it's a big job, you know?
I'm up to my neck in local law enforcement.
Would you want some help with that?
Maybe we could help each other.
Don't be shy.
Did you orgasm?
Did I orgasm?
I can't believe you're from New York.
You could be faking, right?
You can't tell if a woman is faking?
I can't even tell if a woman is interested.
But you can tell if somebody's lying, like a suspect.
That is not the same thing.
Pretend I'm a suspect.
Use your powers of deduction, Agent Ford.
How can you figure out the criminal mind
if you can't figure out your girlfriend?
Are you my girlfriend?
Wait. Is this another of those things you just can't tell?
I don't know. Are you?
What do you need, an exchange of rings over milkshakes?
I just didn't want to presume anything.
Really, Holden, sometimes you're like a monk.
Surely people in law enforcement shouldn't be so naive.
Does it make you uncomfortable...
sleeping with a federal agent?
Where did that come from?
Does it turn you on?
Not at all.
Then why are you with me?
What? Those are good things.
And you're devastating.
Well, thank you.
Oh, come on, you're not leaving.
I have to get up early.
Tomorrow's the first day of school.
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Today might be a baptism of fire. They're gonna be on edge.
Just follow my lead. What happened?
They caught a big case and they're spooked.
Don't talk to any reporters.
And please, for God's sake, don't say we're from the FBI.
而且 拜托 千万别说我们是联调局的
Excuse me, gentlemen. I'm from the Fairfield Chronicle.
打扰一下 先生们 我是《费尔菲尔德纪事报》的记者
You gentlemen are from the FBI, is that right?
How are things with the Jeffries case?
I have no idea what you're talking about.
The Jeffries case. Ada Jeffries.
You can come back for the rest.
The woman found behind the church.
We're here for something else. The woman and her little boy.
Are you from the Methodist church?
Do we look like we're from the Methodist church?
Make a hole.
Good to see ya.
Motive, means, opportunity.
动机 手段 机会
The three pillars of criminal investigation for the last century.
But it's 1977, and suddenly motive is elusive.
What, why, who.
内容 原因 人物
What happened?" "Why did it happen that way?"
"发生了什么" "为何是这种方式" "
Which should lead to: "Who did it?"
A person is murdered. Not sexually assaulted, not robbed.
有人被杀害了 未被性侵 未被抢劫
But the body is mutilated posthumously.
The question is not only why did the killer do it,
but why did the killer do it this way?
We are now talking about... psychology.
When I'm involved in a hostage negotiation,
the perpetrator is standing right in front of me,
but I have to gauge how much destruction he's capable of,
what in his background or personal life
that could've triggered today's standoff.
Some people are just crazy, right?
Crazy in that they have no reason for what they do?
But keep in mind, often,
this crazy person has never done anything like this before.
Something just... flips.
Like a switch. Good, a switch.
就像开关一样 很好 开关
Anybody know what flips it?
Getting fired? Fired. Yes.
被炒 被炒 没错
Getting dumped. Absolutely.
A romantic breakup is a top trigger.
When we know who the criminal is,
we can understand what set him off.
In a homicide situation, we do the inverse.
We ask, "What happened? Why did it happen that way?"
Which narrows the search for who did it.
But what if our killer is someone who's not rational?
Why do we behave the way we do?
It's a question asked by poets, and philosophers, and theologians
这是个诗人 哲学家 神学家
since time immemorial.
The playground of Shakespeare, Dostoyevsky, Freud.
莎士比亚 陀思妥耶夫斯基 弗洛伊德的乐园
The stuff of Crime and Punishment
and Beyond the Pleasure Principal.
The greatest minds in history
have been fascinated by the vagaries of behavior.
So, in a case where we can't immediately divine a motive,
we shouldn't panic.
It's a riddle, but it can be solved.
It's complex, but... it's human.
Thank you, Holden.
That was very... illuminating.
So what the hell's Beyond the Pleasure Principle?
By Freud? So this is about sex?
Actually, it's where he looks for human impulses beyond sex,
specifically the death drive. What's that?
Something my kid does with a stick shift.
Freud suggests that there's an innate desire for destruction,
based on the propensity for matter to return...
What does this have to do with motive?
We've always looked at motive as need or greed, right?
Guy steals a TV to sell it to buy drugs. Exactly.
But let's say, while he's at it,
he steals your wife's panties, too.
If he stole my wife's panties, I'd be amazed.
Well, he's not selling those.
So why does he do it? Is it merely prurient?
He could be motivated by something he doesn't even understand.
Our new quest, like Freud,
is to look beyond what we assume are obvious impulses.
So why didn't you just say that?
They don't want to learn. What are we even doing here?
Just don't make it too complicated.
What's wrong with complicated?
There's complicated and there's too complicated, Holden.
We used to do this experiment in social psychology.
What was that?
You get onto a crowded elevator,
and you face the opposite direction,
the back of the elevator, and everybody freaks out.
They're uncomfortable for reasons they can't even articulate.
But if you turn around and face the front, everybody relaxes.
Okay. Well, how do we do that?
What do we have in common?
What unites us?
What keeps us all awake at night?
I think we can all agree.
But what do you really know about him?
Did you know that his mother was a jailbird and a prostitute?
Did you know when he was ten years old,
she palmed him off onto his sadistic, Bible thumping uncle
who beat him within an inch
of his life and taunted him to act like a man?
Charles responded to that by becoming a pimp
and an armed robber, and was incarcerated for over 20 years,
where he continued to be brutalized.
In 1967, he was paroled, during the Summer of Love.
And our nightmare began.
Jesus! Come on!
Here we have a child who was unwanted, unloved, regularly beaten,
这是个没人要 没人爱 经常挨揍
and repeatedly institutionalized.
Now, might this not have had some sort of an effect on him?
He was born that way. What way?
Just bad. Can we be a little bit more specific?
Technically, he didn't kill anybody.
Look at those eyes. How can you not say that dude's evil?
That's a little bit Old Testament, don't you think?
Good, evil, black, white, it's easy.
善恶 黑白 这样区分很容易
But who in this room has a life that's easy?
Circumstances affect behavior.
When we look at Manson's background,
the real question is, how could we not have seen this coming?
He was institutionalized because we could see it coming.
Okay, but I'm saying maybe, just maybe,
好吧 但我想说也许 只是也许
locking him up his young life helped make him what he was.
No. What the fuck?
They locked him up because of what he did.
They already knew what he was.
Okay, guys, I'm not asking anybody to feel sorry for Charles Manson.
If he were here, I'd shoot him dead. No one would stop me.
I think what Holden's trying to say is maybe it's both.
The one impacting on the other in a vicious circle.
When it comes to this kind of things, nobody has all the answers.
We have some answers. We should be asking questions.
Well, I'll just tell my buddies in Robbery Homicide
who were there when the corpses were found,
that they may have overlooked a difficult upbringing.
You were LAPD?
Twenty two years.
You worked Manson?
No, but I knew every single man who did.
How many homicides have you worked?
Figure out who you're talking to before you tell a sob story
about little Chuckie Manson.
They wrote "Pigs" on the wall in their victims' blood.
They completely missed my point.
In the future, ask if anyone's worked a case before you bring it up.
Know your fucking audience. Oh, shit.
It's okay, they always do this.
Just be a good listener.
I didn't mean to embarrass anybody back there.
Not a problem.
We're all a little tense around here.
You must have heard about
the mother and child who were murdered recently.
Ada Jeffries and her boy. We've seen reporters.
She was bound,
stabbed repeatedly about the chest and face.
The boy's throat was cut.
I don't understand entirely
what you're talking about with psychology.
I don't understand much of anything anymore.
What's on your mind, Frank?
I hate to bother. No, by all means. Bother us.
我不想麻烦你们 不 尽管说
When I left Los Angeles, I thought I'd gone far enough.
Ada was the kind of woman who wouldn't say boo to a goose.
She came from a deeply religious family in Arkansas.
When they found out she was pregnant, they put her out.
She lived in a rooming house in Libertyville.
No drugs, no alcohol, never had a brush with the law.
不吸毒 不酗酒 从未犯过法
The boy was polite and quiet.
She had him in Sunday school at the Methodist church.
She would sweep the steps every evening,
just to be of service.
I never met Ada.
Every now and again,
I'd see her and her son walk along the road into town.
They didn't have a car.
Landlady found the bodies.
They had been dead...
What people won't do to each other.
Nothing people won't do.
How can we help?
She was found cuffed and lashed to the bed.
发现她时 她被铐起来 绑在床上
A broomstick perforated her rectum.
Whoever it was made the boy watch,
then did the same thing to him.
How'd he get in?
Bathroom window. We think that's how he came and went.
There was no sign of forcible entry.
No one heard a peep. In a rooming house?
My assumption is, he held a knife to the boy to keep her quiet,
and vice versa.
This falls clearly into the category of lust murder.
By that I mean it's sexually motivated.
That cannot be about horny.
It's more about sexual gratification
through the annihilation of another.
Did you find semen? Found some on a throw cushion.
It was blood type O. I know that's not much help.
Anything in the victims? No.
He didn't rape them. He could have problems with sex.
That'd be a good bet.
Could narrow things with your suspects.
I don't have suspects.
I don't have fingerprints, shoe prints,
not so much as a single hair.
The fact that the killer left nothing behind is interesting.
It must have been premeditated to a degree.
He had gloves, he cleaned up after himself.
You think he was stalking her?
Or she just caught his eye. What about the boy?
He was a witness.
There are more expedient ways to get rid of a witness.
Why make the boy watch? And why sodomize him?
That's a good point.
Is this crime about the woman or about the child?
You're asking me? I was just posing questions.
I get that.
The broomstick. Yeah?
Is it the same broomstick she used to sweep the church steps?
What if it is? He might not be a congregant,
maybe someone just passing through,
but the church could be significant.
With the idea of service.
I think that there's a passage in Mark.
Something about the "Son of Man."
I don't follow.
All I'm saying is, the broom may mean something.
I don't know.
It's hard to tell from just the photos.
This woman was devoted to her child, tried hard,
and some stranger came along and...
Come on, Agent Ford, you got fancy methods.
给点力 福特探员 你有高明手段
What does a broomstick in the ass of a dirt poor single mom mean?
I don't know.
You're kidding me.
I don't understand it.
We can't help you with this.
We need more time to go over this.
We are in the dark here. We don't know any more than you do.
How fucking dare you?
I'm sorry we wasted your time.
Can I get these back to you?
In the dark, huh? We are.
I have studied everything we have.
I've taken this ride out here with you,
listened to everything you've been kind enough to teach,
but we're talking about
something we don't understand in the slightest.
I was trying to help you.
If you don't like it, go back to your bed with the college kids
and we'll forget about it.
Ada Jeffries and her son were killed
for reasons we are simply not equipped to understand.
It wasn't lust murder.
It wasn't some random thrill killer who was born bad,
and it wasn't a pantie thief who wanted to change things up.
It was an aberration.
Let me tell you something about aberrant behavior. Holden.
It's fucking aberrant.
If we understood it, we'd be aberrant too.
Fortunately, it's not incumbent upon us to write a dissertation.
Well, maybe we should. Why?
Our job is to give him
something he could not have figured out himself.
I am sticking my neck out for you. No disrespect.
At the moment, I don't think
we can say anything to a guy like McGraw with any certainty.
Let me ask you something. Where are you from?
I was born in New York, but it's kind of a mixed bag.
Okay. Well, that's what you are right now, a mixed bag.
A little college education, some experience on the street,
some insight, a lot of horseshit.
I agree with you.
It's been one step forward, two steps back.
Let me ask you something else. Do you have a girlfriend?
I do now, Bill, as it happens. Okay.
现在正好有 比尔 好
So next time you're a long way from home and you flip your shit,
you find a pay phone and you tell it to your girlfriend.
How's that sound? It sounds okay, Bill.
你说怎么样 可以 比尔