Read the part about, uh...
bright eyed boy who's friends with Ed Kemper."
Who talked to a reporter?
Probably your baby faced drinking buddy.
That was in confidence to a member of law enforcement.
While you were drunk. Celebrating.
Using evidence from the crime scene,
he managed to break through Devier's psychological barriers"?
This reads a lot like coercion.
Worse, it sounds like horseshit.
Devier was in that interrogation room
because trees were trimmed on the victim's street.
Good old fashioned detective work. That got him in the room.
We got him to confess.
You cannot be proud of this.
There's nothing egregious here.
Exposure could be good. No.
Can we all agree we are not ready for Good Morning America?
I did not give an interview.
Even if we were accurately represented,
people should not be reading about us over breakfast.
is it possible that you're upset
because the article doesn't mention you?
Hi, Susan. It's Dr. Wendy Carr.
你好 苏珊 我是温迪·卡尔博士
I need to book a flight tomorrow.
I don't know what to do short of putting a muzzle on him.
Please don't go back to Boston.
Atlanta. Out of Dulles.
The same day if possible. Why are you going to Atlanta?
I'm gonna talk to the Floyd County DA. About what?
It's in the article, they're prosecuting a capital case.
So we can't be seen to be party to that.
I'm sorry. Yes, I am.
抱歉 是的 我是
Can you give me that number again?
What are you talking about? That's none of our concern.
He slaughtered a 12 year old girl.
I know what he did.
Oh, uh, window or aisle, both are fine.
Georgia's a death penalty state.
I think I might need a car, too.
What exactly are you going to say to them?
We're four interviews in.
No one is gonna wanna talk to us
if they think we're sending people to the electric chair.
No one in law enforcement
will talk to us if they think we're squeamish
about executing rapists and murderers.
Oh, that sounds lovely. A convertible or a T top.
You cannot go down there representing the FBI.
I don't intend to.
Then they won't understand how you're connected to this case.
If you don't see how this situation compromises us,
then I really don't know what to say to you.
I'm sorry. I'm... I'm so distracted.
Can you give me that number one more time?
Go with her.
You got us into this.
Shut the door.
I got it this time. Thank you.
Follow my lead. I'm used to talking to law enforcement.
District Attorney Mayweather,
thank you for meeting with us on such short notice.
Oh, Esther, please.
I am delighted to meet the man who delivered me Gene Devier.
Professor Carr's a consultant at the FBI
and she has been instrumental in developing a program...
I'm sorry. I have as long as it takes to finish this sandwich.
We have been interviewing extremely violent offenders.
The worst of the worst.
This involves establishing an element of trust
so that they offer information to us voluntarily.
We try to be objective
because what they have to say is valuable.
But if they see that our techniques are being
used to eradicate them, then...
Now how would your techniques be used for that?
Agent Ford assembled a psychological sketch
of Mr. Devier, based on research,
which was used to secure a confession.
So if he's convicted and executed, then...
Honey, we don't kill criminals.
They kill themselves.
What does that mean?
It's their behavior that puts them in that chair.
Actually, I think it's...
When I talk to a jury, I always ask, "Do you watch TV?"
Most of them do.
I say, "Who watches the cop shows?"
Right there you know whether
you've got a smart jury or a stupid one.
So I say, "Forget TV,
cause it'll never show you the experience of the victim."
No. "You will never hear the cries
of a woman being raped on The Rockford Files.
You won't smell burning flesh
from the cigarettes being put to her body
on Hawaii Five O." I'm not arguing prosecution strategies.
I'm simply... And I'm not done talking.
My point is that when you go from an abstract idea of murder
to the visceral reality,
you can no longer be objective.
Only when you feel the pain of those victims and their loved ones
can you know the magnitude of the choice that killer made.
And it's that choice that seals his fate.
There's no reason to kill people
when we have the wherewithal to lock them up.
These people spend the
rest of their lives in horrendous conditions,
which likely reflect the environments in which they were raised.
And I Maybe... I'm sorry.
而我... 也许... 抱歉打断你
But maybe instead of debating the pros and cons of...
Yes, cut to the point.
Are you actually asking me to shoot lower than capital punishment
so it won't reflect poorly on the FBI?
Not the FBI, our work in Behavioral Science.
If it's compromised,
I'm afraid we won't be able to achieve our ultimate goal,
which is to hopefully prevent
this type of crime from being committed.
I am asking you to consider
life without the possibility of parole.
I'm an elected official.
Here in Georgia, death is the will of the people.
And if you don't want to be involved publicly,
then maybe you should keep yourselves out of the news.
What did you expect?
A reasonable conversation.
I don't know what I expected. I...
I've spent months of my life and...
I had hoped that we could complete our research
before seeing it used to this end.
What difference would that make?
I wouldn't have to be in meetings like the one we had.
So you could walk away clean?
Come on, Wendy. You're smarter than that.
得了吧 温迪 你没这么天真
There's no way around the death penalty in death penalty states.
Which doesn't mean what we're doing is wrong.
It's so nice out.
How was your trip?
Hot. Sticky. Miserable.
很热 很黏 很惨
Have you eaten? No.
Great. You want to get something?
It's getting late, we should get going.
No, I don't think so.
Are you still mad?
What exactly are you?
Must I be something?
These past couple days, I keep thinking about when we met.
You were so sweet.
I am the exact same person that you reeled in with that jumpsuit.
I don't think that's true.
But I'm not the same either.
Where you going with this?
Just... thinking, talking.
I don't know. You don't know?
I don't know.
Jesus, Debbie. Come on.
天啊 黛比 别这样
You're so good at reading people...
you tell me.
When I first got here, you didn't get up to greet me.
And you didn't invite me inside,
but you won't come to dinner with me.
You've been sitting here this whole time with your arms crossed,
which I know, from you, is a bad sign.
You've been in a shitty mood the last ten times we've been together,
and you're always starting arguments,
and you've been assessing me in a very negative light.
And in spite of your recent confusion about your degree,
you stay up late every single night doing homework,
leaving me to go to bed alone.
When I first got here, you offered a sip of your wine,
which could be construed as welcoming,
but even though you knew I was coming from the airport,
you didn't bring an extra glass,
and half the bottle is gone.
Which means you're trying to take the edge off so that you can...
break up with me?
Is that what I'm doing?
Let's not drag this out. I'll pick up my stuff next week.
I'll let you know when I'm coming back,
in case you don't want to be here.
No, we're trying. It's slow.
不 我们在努力 但进度很慢
Yes, indeed. You take this?
California Medical Facility, Vacaville. How may I help you?
I got a message to call a Dr... Bruxton.
One moment, please. Did you see who put this here?
I just got in myself.
Hello, I'm trying to reach a Dr. Bruxton.
I believe Dr. Bruxton is in surgery.
Well... I have a message to return his...
Dr. Bruxton isn't available right now.
I'm with the FBI, my name is Holden Ford.
Oh, yes, he is expecting your call.
Can you tell me what this is about?
Uh, you're listed as medical proxy to one of our patients.
I'm sorry, there must be some kind of mistake.
I don't think so.
Edmund Kemper specifically named you as his proxy.
At this point, though, he is out of danger.
Mr. Kemper tried to take his own life last night.
Are you sure? Yes, sir.
你确定吗 是的 先生
That's impossible. I can't think that...
Mr. Kemper came out of surgery at 4:30 a.m.
He's doing well, he's in recovery.
Hello? Do you need anything else from me?
No. The doctor will call if we need anything. Okay.
不用了 如果有需要医生会通知你 好的
It seems the Office of Professional Responsibility
has found continuing evidence
for their investigation into our unit.
They've got the tape.
How the hell'd they get that? I have no idea.
But you three have been called to meet with them as soon as possible.
And since someone has taken the high road for us,
I recommend we all go forward with total transparency.
Is this you?
这是你干的吗 fuck you, Bill.
Please state your name.
Special Agent Holden Ford.
In what capacity do you
serve the Federal Bureau of Investigation?
I work in the Behavioral Science Unit.
You and Special Agent William Tench
recently interviewed an inmate named Richard Speck?
That's right. Did you record the interview?
Yes. Which of you recorded the interview?
You and Agent Tench interviewed several inmates
over the past few months.
Did you record those, too? Yes.
Who did the recording? I did.
For what purpose?
Archival purposes, documentation.
Is this trying, Agent Ford? I'm sorry?
这很烦吗 福特探员 你说什么
Do you find this process trying?
I find it unnecessary.
What did you do with the recording when you returned to Quantico?
I gave it to Agent smith to transcribe it.
Did he transcribe it? Yes.
And did you look it over? Yes.
Did you then decide it should be redacted?
Why did you decide that?
I felt there was a section
that might be deemed sensitive by other parties.
Other parties" meaning whom?
Other people at the FBI.
And people at the LEAA, which provides our funding.
What section was this?
The section where I asked Speck why he took
Eight ripe cunts out of this world.
You suddenly thought that might not go over well.
Did anyone influence your decision? No.
Your partner, Agent Tench.
Did he influence your decision?
I made the decision on my own.
What happened once you decided this section was too sensitive
to appear in the transcript?
I asked Agent smith to take it out.
Are you Agent smith's supervisor? No.
Who knew about the redaction at this point?
I knew, Agent smith, and Agent Tench.
我 史密斯探员 坦奇探员知道
When the three of you met with us to discuss Speck's complaint,
whose decision was it to bring us only the redacted transcript?
It was my decision.
An unspoken agreement? Yes.
Did you ask Agent smith to lie about erasing the tape?
Not in so many words. What does that mean?
I looked at him.
I asked him to lie with my eyes.
Did the redaction become known to other people
in the Behavioral Science Unit?
Is this amusing, Agent Ford?
It might be, if it weren't so feeble.
I beg your pardon?
You think I don't know what you're doing
with this principal's office bullshit?
This is what I do with violent offenders, only much better.
Agent Ford, you stand accused of lying to the FBI.
Do you realize how serious that is?
You used your badge to
gain access to the California Medical Facility
without any official approval.
To interview our first subject,
Edmund Kemper, whose feedback launched our program.
We're not concerned with what you consider your achievements.
We're concerned with your methods.
The language you used with Richard Speck in the unredacted interview
reflects extremely poorly on the Bureau.
How about calling him a shit stain?
You see what I mean. Agent Ford, listen to what we're telling you.
你懂我意思 福特探员 你给我听好了
Flashing your badge is one thing,
suppression of evidence is serious.
You're developing a pattern of behavior that will not sustain you.
I just got back from Georgia,
where my behavior led to the arrest and confession
of a man who raped and murdered a 12 year old girl.
Surely my partner told you about that.
Your partner also expressed
reservations about the way you handle yourself.
You're playing us off each other.
He substantiates our concerns
about your comportment as a federal agent.
We have that on tape. If you care to listen...
我们有录音 你如果想听... fuck this.
Agent Ford, If you leave, I can't help you.
福特探员 如果你离开 我就没法帮你了
I have to write a report on this interview.
It will go down on your permanent record.
You're making a terrible mistake.
The only mistake I made was ever doubting myself.
What'd you tell them, Bill?
I told them the truth.
Ladies and gentlemen, we will be landing shortly.
You made it hard not to.
Well, I tried less dramatic methods.
Did you get my cards? Yes.
Maybe it's not surprising you respond to showmanship.
Why do you want to see me, Ed?
I read an article about you.
About us, I should say.
The Atlanta Constitution?
The story was picked up by the AP.
You said we were friends.
Yes. Are we friends, Holden?
没错 我们是朋友吗 霍尔登
In the context of our work together, sure.
Our work together.
That's a nice way of putting it. I'd categorize it the same way.
And yet, our work is unfinished.
Okay. As I indicated in my letters.
You have more...
Well, I'm not going to trot them out like some kind of show pony,
especially when you've been talking about me in my absence,
using what I tell you to legitimize yourself.
That story was not...
I... had had a bit to drink.
What's this behavioral profiling you're touting?
It's a way to determine a criminal's psychology
based on crime scenes and personal characteristics.
I love that.
What's my psychology?
I can't really tell you that.
You can't or you won't?
It's shoptalk, Ed. My favorite.
这是行业用语 艾德 我的最爱
We're still at an very early point in the research.
Not so early that you can't babble about it in the press.
And you pretty much admit that I started you down this path.
So... I believe you owe me an explanation, Holden.
所以 我认为你欠我一个解释 霍尔登
You're what we'd call an organized killer.
Because of the extreme planning that went into your crimes.
You practiced picking up women several times
before selecting your first victim.
You used your own vehicle
both in the kidnapping and disposing of the bodies.
You followed your crimes in the media,
which shows evidence of continued fantasy.
That's the gist.
You think you can boil me down to a single adjective?
Of course not. It's merely a way to sort characteristics.
You're an expert now. No.
Sounds like it. I am not an expert.
But you want to be, don't you?
Human blood is very hot.
On a cold, humid morning you can see it steam.
What are you doing, Ed?
Someone left a ballpoint pen on my court file.
I used the metal casing.
Is this what you wanted to see?
Why would I want to see that?
Take a closer look.
That's okay. Really.
You know, women were initially indifferent to me.
They weren't interested in sharing.
My whole life, no one wanted to interact with me.
Not even our cats, when I was a kid.
The only way I could have those girls
was to kill them, and it worked.
They became my spirit wives. They're still with me.
Funny thing in the ICU,
there's no system to alert the guards.
It's short sighted, seeing what kind of people come through.
I could kill you now, pretty easily.
Do some interesting things before anyone showed up.
Then you'd be with me in spirit.
I invited you many times to visit,
but even with this, I never thought you'd actually come.
Why are you here, Holden?
I don't know.
that is the truth.
Are you all right? I can't breathe. I can't breathe.
你没事吧 我无法呼吸 我无法呼吸
Did you take anything? I don't know.
Do you have any allergies? I don't know.
You're not dying. You're in a hospital.
I'm trying to warn you,
your attitude is gonna bite you in the ass.
You're developing a pattern
of behavior that will not sustain you.
Not priceless gems you think you're mining.
Are we friends, Holden?
Get a doctor here!
Who are you, the fucking thought police?
That is your world, and it has made you paranoid.