May I help you?
Yes. Thank you.
I need some replacement electrical tape.
Okay. You bring me the empty and I'll get you a new roll.
好吧 你把空的给我 我给你拿卷新的
The cardboard core that's left when you run out of tape.
That's the way we do it.
I can't give you a new one until we get the old.
Are you kidding me?
This is your captain speaking. New York City to the Bay Area...
Just, hey, do me a favor. Don't mention this to me ever again.
I'm going to.
It's the insanest idea I've ever heard.
I'm going to, Bill. We have a job to do.
我要说 比尔 我们有工作要做
We are here to teach. Chino, California Medical,
我们是来教书的 奇诺 加州医院
California Men's Colony, Norco, Soledad, San Quentin...
加州男子监狱 诺科 索莱达 圣昆廷
If you'd said to me,
Bill, I want to become a Beach Boy, take up surfing,
"比尔 我想做个海滩男孩 冲冲浪 "
sit around smoking the vibes." Folsom.
Or, "I want to make it in the movies.
Gonna get me a walk up in West Hollywood and a Pekingese."
Manson is 30 miles away in Vacaville.
A hop, skip, and a jump.
You really wanna meet Charlie Manson? Why not?
Sir. Just swing by and say hi.
Nobody wants to hear about that crazy motherfucker.
You know this.
Welcome to San Francisco. Please remain seated...
Besides, when are you gonna find time
for these fireside chats, Holden?
I'll figure it out.
Nobody can talk to Manson.
Tom Snyder's been trying to interview him for years.
We're the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
What if his civil rights are being violated?
Please just get in the car.
In California every year, 35 percent of murders go unsolved.
That's more unsolved murders than in any other state.
It's partly due to geography.
In the woods, in the mountains,
ravines, hiking trails... You can't get to Manson,
山沟 远足小径 就算你是联调局的
even if you're a fed.
CMF treats him like a fucking unicorn.
No one needs to think about
psychology more than the people in Santa Cruz.
In a homicide situation...
If you go to Vacaville, you definitely need to meet Ed Kemper.
What happened that triggered him?
Give me that name again.
Kemper. Ed Kemper.
They call him the "Coed Killer."
What about when even the killer
doesn't know why he behaved as he did?
You can't miss the guy. He's like,
six foot nine, 285 pounds.
Whoa. King size. Super king.
Violent murder used to be...
Killed a bunch of coeds in Santa Cruz.
Six teenage girls, chops their heads off,
has sexual intercourse with the corpses.
Kills his mom with a claw hammer,
has sexual intercourse with her head.
Bullshit. In her mouth.
When strangers murder strangers for no apparent reason...
He was in a mental institution right up until then too.
He's a total whack job.
He was murdering his grandparents at the age of 15,
but then he manages to convince
everyone that he's completely rehabilitated.
Oh, my God.
In many of these crimes, the motives are not just obscure...
Jim Conor knew him real well. I'll introduce you.
borderline unfathomable. Thank you.
...接近难以理解 谢谢 ...
Used to call him Big Ed. Everybody here knew him.
Was he an informant?
No, but he was smart. He was funny.
不是 但他很聪明 也很幽默
He used to watch all the cop shows on TV.
Crazy about Wambaugh and Police Story.
He wanted to be CHP, but it didn't work out.
He would joke that they could conceal his psychiatric record
but not his fat ass.
Stupid shit like that.
Guys like him always want to be in uniform.
Losers. Losers are drawn to authority.
Nobody wants to admit it, but losers are useful.
Why? They're nosy.
They know what everybody else is up to.
And they're resentful, a lot of 'em.
They always got a raw deal.
Ed was a busybody.
And this was before you knew about the killings?
Oh, we knew about 'em, just hadn't connected them with him.
He kept asking about them, though.
And you didn't suspect him?
What?" You liked the guy.
"干什么" 你喜欢那个家伙 "
Let's say he was a friendly nuisance. Oh, come on.
He was hard not to like. So you were the arresting officer?
In the end, he lit out to Pueblo, Colorado,
expecting there to be some kind of manhunt.
When nobody came,
he got sick of waiting and decided to turn himself in.
Called from a pay phone. Confessed!
We thought he was bullshitting. I drove him all the way back.
He wouldn't stop yakking. Going into forensic detail.
I thought I hit the jackpot.
After a few hours, I'm like, "Oh, God, please. Enough!"
过了几个小时 我求饶"拜托 别说了"
You think Kemper would talk to us?
Try stopping him.
Who's "us," kemosabe?
David Berkowitz, 24.
Spent his days sorting letters at the post office so he could...
Really, what are you expecting to learn?
A killer who can't stop talking? It's a gift.
A gift, huh?
He made a severed head perform fellatio on him.
His third victim was a 15 year old child, Holden.
You don't want to talk?
So, basically, you just got me out here
to carry your slide projector?
To help with the workload, yeah. The work we're sanctioned to do.
帮我分担工作 是的 我们被批准做的工作
Kemper doesn't interest you or is beneath you somehow?
A little of both.
This is the man... Think the tie's too much?
What about the suit?
Anybody finds out you're a fed, there'll be a riot.
Shepard finds out you've been interviewing the Coed Killer
as a side project, he'll flip his shit.
It's easier to ask forgiveness than permission.
If you're gonna go in, you need to go in stone goddamn cold,
take him by surprise, get the fuck out as quick as possible.
Straight in there, don't phone,
don't give them a chance to ask around.
I'm a buddy of Jim Conor's.
Jim Conor reached out," you bet. "He sends his regards."
"吉姆·康纳找到我" "他向你问好" "
I stopped by the Jury Room for a drink."
The guys all say..." blah, blah, blah.
Can I call you Big Ed?" I wouldn't mention the killings.
"我能叫你大艾德吗" 别提杀人的事 "
You're not there because he's a necrophile degenerate.
You're there because he's... fascinating.
How do I not mention the killings?
Just take it slow.
What are you doing? Just in case.
Holden, they're not gonna let you in with a sidearm.
The guy is six foot nine, weighs 300 pounds.
That's right. So what's he gonna do?
He's gonna take the fucking thing away, kill you with it,
and then have sex with your face.
Hold it, guys.
You're clear. I don't want to spoil your fun.
I'm good. Nine is fine.
You could come. Take notes.
You take notes, I'll help you write 'em up.
You're really gonna go golfing
while I glean profound insights from the Coed Killer?
It's my day off. You're gonna be sorry.
No. You're gonna be sorry, Holden,
不 会后悔的人是你 霍尔登
when he decides you're using him
and there's nothing in it for good old Ed.
I think there is. What?
He's going to be part of something
instead of rotting inside a cell.
Part of what? We're not even here.
I must respectfully ask for your badge and firearm.
In addition, I have some paperwork for you to sign.
A disclaimer that states in the event of your death,
or if you're taken hostage, attacked, assaulted,
死亡 或者被劫持 袭击 殴打
or otherwise abused within the correctional facility,
the United States government forswears any and all liability.
Kiss my ass!
Hey, boy, bring that shit over here!
Can we unlock the...
No, those stay on. They're regulation.
不行 必须戴着 这是规定
I think that's gonna be a little awkward.
Okay. You're all set. Thanks, Jim.
好了 你可以过去了 谢了 吉姆
I'll see ya later. Later.
Oh, I'm sorry. I assumed that it was... Are you tired?
抱歉 我默认是... 你很累吗
How could you tell?
It's a beautiful drive, but it's long.
Edmund was my mom's idea, so you can call me Ed.
So how can I help?
I'm an instructor
working out of the Behavioral Science Unit at Quantico,
and I had this idea...
Have you had breakfast?
Can I get you something? You want a sandwich?
No, I'm okay. What kind of sandwich you like?
Um... I'm good. You want an egg salad sandwich?
I'm fine. Really. I'll get us an egg salad sandwich.
不用 真的 我去买个鸡蛋沙拉三明治
I can get almost anything you want from the canteen.
Do you have tuna? Oh, the egg salad's better.
Hey, Jim? Yeah, Ed?
吉姆 什么事 艾德
Have you seen Mitch this morning?
You think you can find him for me?
Good, huh? Mmm!
These guys are great.
I've been here five years. We just clicked right off the bat.
You like the guards?
Well, they like me. I'm polite.
I heard that you used to drink at the Jury Room.
You mean in Santa Cruz?
Yeah, those are good guys.
I applied to California Highway Patrol.
My mom spoke to the cops to get my psychiatric record expunged.
Turns out my record
didn't bother them at all, I was just too tall.
Too tall? I've heard of being too short, but...
太高 我听说过有人因为太矮被拒 但是...
Nothing. It just seems...
You think they lied to me?
Well, cops like me because they can talk to me...
more than they can talk to their own wives, some of them.
Really? What do you talk about?
You know, books, movies.
I watch all the cop shows on TV.
Do you know, uh...
Joseph Wambaugh, Police Story? You ever watch that?
I got a lot of my insights right there.
What kind of insights?
Well, so, for example, with cops,
I would not allow myself to walk into a trap
because I knew exactly how their minds worked
from watching Wambaugh.
What kind of trap are you talking about?
The classic is talking too much about the crimes.
You have to remain casual.
They tried everything to trick me. I'm too savvy.
I don't fucking talk, period.
Really? That's interesting.
So... you had this idea?
Yes. Uh, yes.
It's kind of, uh...
Well, it's more of a research thing.
Just a series of interviews,
individuals not unlike yourself.
We're just talking?
I don't get to go someplace, do a bunch of tests?
No. Yeah, no tests. Just right here.
是的 没有测试 就在这儿
Well, because I believe it could be useful.
Talking about what?
Well, I don't know.
behavior, I guess.
If you want to, that is.
We don't have to talk about anything at all
if you don't want to.
Why are you so tense?
You're tense, right now.
No, I'm not tense.
Well, I'll be honest, I don't get many visitors.
When I do, you think they want to talk about this shit?
当有访客的时候 你觉得他们会想聊这些吗 fuck no.
It's like if you worked at a slaughterhouse with livestock,
real conversation stopper.
No, I'm just saying...
People who hunt other people for a vocation,
all we want to talk about is what it's like.
The shit that went down. The entire fucked upness of it.
It's not easy. Butchering people is hard work.
Physically and mentally. I don't think people realize.
You need to vent.
What are you writing down?
Oh, I just think it's an interesting choice of words, "vocation."
Well, what would you call it?
A hobby? I'd say it's more than that.
Look at the consequences. The stakes are very high.
Is this helping? Are you getting what you came for?
I think. Good.
Can I... Could I just ask you something?
Do you believe that prison can help you?
Are you kidding?
You think you shouldn't be in prison?
I think it's shutting the barn door
after the horse has bolted, somewhat.
What do you think the state should do with you instead?
Well, Holden, a lobotomy's not out of the question.
Like Frances Farmer.
You remember Frances Farmer? No.
I loved Frances Farmer. She was an actress.
They lobotomized her in the '50s.
She was very smart and intense...
very misunderstood. She was a lot like me.
You don't think you could benefit from psychiatry?
I already did all that in the institution.
It didn't take.
For me, I think surgery might give me the best chance.
And if surgery doesn't... take,
in this modern society,
what do we do with the Ed Kempers of the world?
Well, isn't that your department?
From your perspective.
Death by torture?
So what are you not telling me?
Why do you keep looking at me like that?
Like what? Funny.
You keep looking at me like I'm a specimen.
Well, to be honest...
It's just you seem like a nice, ordinary...
It's difficult for me to
square you with what you're in prison for.
I was a regular guy most of my life,
with a nice home, nice suburb.
I had pets, I went to a good school.
I was a thoughtful, educated, well brought up young person.
我是个体贴 受过良好教育 有教养的年轻人
There's no question about it.
at the same time...
I was living a vile, depraved, entirely parallel other life
filled with debased violence and mayhem, and fear, and death.
充满了暴力 混乱 恐惧和死亡
it certainly seems to me like you had your own unusual...
An unusual MO. Oh, sure.
Well, I was gonna say...
An oeuvre, if you will.
You could study it.
You can spell oeuvre, can't you, Holden?
You know, there's a lot more like me.
Do you think so?
People that kill in sequence like you did?
Sequence? One right after another.
At regular intervals.
I've just been calling them...
if you will.
How many would you say? Well...
it would be a guess,
but I'd say right now...
North America, more than 35.
But you're never gonna find them
if they don't want you to. Not even close.
That can't be right.
Well, Holden, I'm not an expert. I'm not an authority.
霍尔登 我不是专家 也不是权威
I'm just an extremely accomplished murderer
who spent my adult life successfully evading capture...
until I gave myself up because I despaired of ever being caught.
So take it or leave it.
What do you want from me?
I have no idea.
What the fuck? He's Stanley Kubrick?
He was extremely talkative.
He likes talking to cops.
He's lonely. He could do it all day.
He's not some frenzied thrill killer, Bill.
I think we need to face that.
He chopped off women's heads and had sex with their corpses.
If that's not frenzied, I don't know what is.
He is so articulate.
He's meticulous and highly intelligent.
Yeah, he meticulously chose small,
young, female prey who couldn't fight back.
He's self aware and objective.
Isn't that highly unusual?
He's saying everything you want to hear,
just like he did with the shrinks in the institution.
He knew just enough to talk his way out, then went hunting.
Don't be stupid about this.
What makes you so sure I'm being stupid?
I know these fuckers.
It's only a matter of time before he hits you up for privileges.
Next thing you know, he's complaining to the warden...
Come with me next weekend.
See for yourself. No, I'm not gonna do that.
亲眼看看 不 我不会去的
You're just going to play golf?
It helps me think clearly. You might want to try it.
Oh, yeah. Up a little.
Over a little. Left. My left or your left?
进去一点 往左 你的左边还是我的左边
It's fine. What's wrong?
You want a break? Why would I want a break?
That's not how it works. All right.
You want me to throw in something? Play with your nipples?
Why? Move it along.
You're doing great. Just stop stopping. Okay.
你做得很好 别停下 好吧
He knows more about lust murder
than the whole FBI Behavioral Science Unit.
We should put him on the payroll. Would the FBI ever do that?
Everyone's freaked out that Berkowitz might sell his life story.
New York State is moving to make that sort of thing illegal.
It'd be awful for the families of the victims.
What can I get you? Hi.
can I get two eggs over medium,
home fried potatoes, and wheat toast with grape jelly?
And for you?
I'll just have an Ed salad sandwich... A what?
An egg salad sandwich. Thank you.
Holden, you don't even like egg salad.
Thank you. Right. Um...
I'll just have a Denver omelet.
You've got mention itis. You cannot stop mentioning him.
Think of how much we can learn from a guy like Kemper.
He called it a vocation.
Killing women? Yeah.
Jesus. How do you wrap your mind around that?
Couldn't attract them.
Didn't have the social skills.
That would describe a lot of guys.
Why does he hate women?
I should ask.
But not outright. No?
He sounds like the kind of person
who would tell you what you wanna hear.
You have to disarm him first. You mean, like...
你要先让他放松警惕 你是说 比如
What? Ask him questions about himself.
Lean into him, listen intently.
I do that. Keep your arms uncrossed.
Mirror his movements.
Encourage him to talk about the things he's excited about.
Are these feminine wiles?
Cross your legs in his direction.
Do you really do that? But don't touch him.
You want him to like you,
but you don't want him to think you're gonna fuck him.
Look at your face.
Here's the thing.
I spent five years as a brick agent
and a couple of years at the academy.
I'm squeaky clean.
I'm Eliot Ness. I'm...
You're Melvin Purvis, G MAN.
And back then, no skirt in the FBI.
No women, just men.
Then I enroll in college,
and suddenly, I am Warren fucking Beatty.
You take sugar? No.
Cool. Milk? Thank you.
好 加牛奶 谢了
You got it, man.
Suddenly it's disco and poppers,
and fern bars.
I am up to my neck in chicks.
Pussy, pussy, pussy. I hear that.
It turns out chicks do really dig a guy with a badge.
Gas, grass, or ass. Nobody rides for free."
"不管是谁 没有免♥费的午餐" "
Next thing I know, I'm with a 24 year old that I met in a bar.
No woman has ever been so into me in my entire life.
Don't brag. It's unbecoming.