I'm gonna grab coffee.
You want some? I had some on the plane.
Excuse me. May I?
Students are welcome to everything.
Cold season. Sorry, what?
I was just saying it's cold season.
How are you? Welcome. Thank you.
你好吗 欢迎 谢谢
How's your family?
Since when do you care about any of that?
I'm adopting a facade of caring.
You want to dive in? Yeah.
Here he is.
Dr. Wendy Carr, my partner Holden Ford.
Agent Ford. I've read a lot about you.
About me? Your notes.
Uh, thank you.
Okay, um, let's go to my office.
I'm glad this worked out.
When you sent me your notes from the Kemper meetings,
I was in a real rut with my new book.
What's your book about? It's about white collar criminals,
men not so different to your Edmund Kemper.
How do you think the men you study are similar to Edmund Kemper?
Well, first of all, they're all psychopaths.
I study captains of industry:
IBM 米高梅 福特 埃克森美孚等等 IBM, MGM, Ford, Exxon, you name it.
And sure, these men all have wives, kids, dogs, goldfish,
当然 这些人都有妻儿 狗 金鱼
but not because they stopped being psychopaths,
but because they just had different leanings.
But you think they have the same underlying personality traits?
Well, Kemper shows a total lack of remorse,
a lack of inner emotional structure,
no ability to reflect on the experience of others.
You saw this in my notes? It would've been clearer
这是你在我笔记中看到的吗 是的 不过
if you'd recorded and transcribed your interviews verbatim,
Although your project is obviously in the nascent stages,
it already feels like a clear successor to The Mask of Sanity,
which, as you know, is quite a compliment.
Repeat that? The Mask of...
So you're saying you don't think this,
us interviewing these killers, is crazy?
Just the opposite.
I mean, crazy in the way that anyone with a truly new idea is crazy.
But no. Wow, okay.
That's a relief.
That hasn't really been the feedback we've gotten so far.
Actually, this is the only feedback we've gotten so far.
Well, these men are just sitting here, locked up.
And we're too afraid of the morality of it
to see the far reaching value of their insights.
Far reaching in law enforcement?
Into behavioral science,
early detection, criminology, you name it.
Oh, yes, yes. This is what I've been saying the whole time.
Oh, have you?
You need to put this on a more formal footing.
It's gonna take a lot of time and energy
to expand it into a larger project with a specific questionnaire.
Their family histories,
what their thoughts were on why they did it,
when they were aroused during the killings, that sort of thing.
Then contrast, compare, and publish.
Well, you can't just circulate your findings within the FBI.
I mean, maybe even turn it into a book. A book?
Whoa. We appreciate the vote of confidence,
but we weren't allowed to send you those notes.
We can't publicize what we're doing. Why not?
Our department head gave us weekends only
and an office in the basement.
We still have students, we have Road School full time.
We can't just drop everything... Road School?
We travel around the country and teach FBI techniques to cops.
We're seeing Benjamin Miller in Bridgewater this afternoon.
Road School is what gives us
the freedom to go out and interview these guys.
We can go bit by bit.
Kemper and Miller and build out from there.
Make a study in our free time, like you said.
I didn't realize that this was so informal.
We could make it formal. We can do that easily. And then a book.
我们可以将其转为正式的 很简单 然后出书
The successor to The Mask of...
I guess I just wanted to get another set of eyes,
see if you thought this was valuable from an academic standpoint.
Have you shown your Kemper notes to your department head?
Teaching police departments, can someone else do that?
Anyone can, it's really not that hard. That is not true,
任何人都行 并不难 才不是
and it's beside the point.
Shepard doesn't even want us to talk about this.
You really think he's going
to say yes to a full time academic study?
Never mind a book?
Do you really think people would be
interested in this outside of law enforcement?
I mean, imagine,
like truly imagine what it takes to bludgeon someone to death.
The lust for control,
the feeling of arousal,
the decision to rape the severed head of your victim,
to humiliate her corpse.
How could you possibly get that from an ordinary police report?
You know why it took me nearly a decade to publish my book?
Because narcissists don't go to the doctor.
Psychopaths are convinced that there is nothing wrong with them.
So these men are virtually impossible to study.
Yet you have found a way to
study them in near perfect laboratory conditions.
That's what make this so exciting
and potentially so far reaching.
It's not that I disagree.
I've spent enough time with Holden
that I know what it means when he gets that crazy look.
I'm afraid it's just not
feasible within the bureaucracy of the FBI.
We've got weekends. We've got the evenings after Road School,
an hour or so before Road School.
We don't have to tell Shepard.
Interviewing 40 men across the States is a full time job.
And if you want this to be a legitimate academic study,
then you're looking at four, maybe five years.
And compiling, analyzing the data. Right.
还要统计 分析数据 好吧
It's a shame.
We have an interview with Miller in an hour
and it's a bit of a drive.
You know, this is really important work.
If your boss won't let you do it,
then you should talk to someone
who has the freedom and resources to...
We'll stick with it for now.
It'll be slow going, but we're not ready to give up yet.
Of course not.
But it's good to get some encouragement,
even if our hands are tied.
It's a pleasure.
What if... Don't.
I'm just saying we could... Holden.
Look, I'm frustrated too.
You know, they shoot the birds in the yard
because they might be smuggling in drugs from the outside.
Actually, I don't know if that's true.
A girlfriend told me once.
You date a lot of ex cons? No.
Actually, Debbie's the first girl
I've really dated dated since high school.
Dated dated. Yeah.
My wife's the first woman that I've married married.
I thought they said 3:00. What are we waiting for?
You'd be less fidgety if you smoked cigarettes.
I should have brought a tape recorder.
Bureau Agents Tench and Ford?
Gentlemen. I'm Dr. Cale. We spoke earlier on the phone.
先生们 我是凯尔医生 我们通过电♥话
Thanks for doing this, Doctor.
We realize it's somewhat unorthodox.
Unfortunately, Miller says he won't talk to you.
Now, we told him in advance and he agreed,
but there's really nothing we can do now.
He should be in a better mood tomorrow. Tomorrow?
Well, he gets like this sometimes.
Just needs a cool off period before he can interact with people.
We have to bring him food into his cell
because he won't come out.
We're headed out tonight. We can't come in tomorrow.
I'm sorry. Will you be back to Boston another time?
Thanks for your time, Doctor. We appreciate it.
麻烦你了 医生 非常感谢
Well, that's the last time we give them advanced notice.
Ever feel like you're on the cusp of something,
and it keeps spinning out in your head?
Where'd you get that ironing board? Your closet.
I just can't stop thinking about this project.
Dr. Carr said it could have far reaching consequences.
Why are you up? Did you smoke my pot?
I can't stop thinking about this project.
The idea is so exciting.
Just don't wake me up when you come back to bed.
Rissell's an hour or so away,
so we don't have to do Road School to get to him.
There's, uh... Vaughn Greenwood.
The Skid Row Slasher? Yeah, he's in California.
那个贫民窟杀手吗 是的 他在加州
Along with Herbert Mullin.
The Cincinnati Strangler...
What's his name? Posteal Laskey Jr.
I assume he's in Cincinnati?
I like teaching the Midwest cops. Hospitable guys.
There's always Richard Speck in Illinois.
Great, we can do a Midwest sweep.
Gerard John Schaefer.
He killed at least 30, they think.
That was in Florida, though.
You konw I can't say no to a Florida golf course.
Hey, Bill. It's Roy Carver.
Hey, Roy. What can I do for you?
We need to talk. There's been another attack.
This time resulting in a fatality.
Got it. Can I get you guys back out here?
Okay. Let me get back to you.
What's up? Carver.
Been another one.
Same age as Rosemary Gonzales,
only this time she's dead.
Bill, my God! We're vindicated.
比尔 天呐 我们说对了
What's the matter with you? An old lady was just murdered.
We can talk to Kemper again.
Did she have a dog? Please tell me there's a dog.
A bigger dog. Slit from ear to ear.
Not only is this exactly what we predicted,
but we believe he's getting a taste for it, there will be more.
A sequence killer.
A sequence killer?
It's what we're calling it when they kill three or more.
Is this a new classification?
Need to get a steno to put it in writing.
You bet. I'll talk to Marge.
This is what you were talking about with the Kemper thing?
We briefed them with a description.
We need to make sure they bring him in.
It's what we predicted.
Thank you, Holden. I've been listening.
谢谢啊 霍尔登 我有在听
We have responsibility to make this right. I agree. You do now.
我们有责任解决这事 我同意 去吧
What are you waiting for? You got a plane to catch.
Her name was Laura Conway.
Living literally half a mile away, practically up the street.
Same thing exactly, same time
of night that Rosemary Gonzales was attacked,
about 10:30 or 11:00.
What about the dog?
A dog like that must've put up a fight.
Your unsub will have bite marks.
The dog's fucking lasagna.
We rousted a bunch of kids,
we had an 18 year old from the neighborhood we liked,
but he had an alibi.
What was it? He's a fry cook.
Clocked in till midnight, his coworkers vouch for him.
You spoke to his boss?
Yeah, one of these new burger joints. Big corporate set up.
嗯 是家汉堡连锁店 大公司旗下的
Actually, I don't remember. We might have to rethink.
Look at that dog.
Someone had a good fucking grip on it, damn near eviscerated.
Now this woman wasn't as frail as Mrs. Gonzales.
Whoever did this wasn't easily scared off.
Older. And determined.
I don't understand the sexual assault part.
Why just groping? Why not rape her?
He didn't rape her because he didn't want to.
He just wanted to dominate and humiliate her.
That's one sick son of a bitch. Supposing he's 35, 40.
简直是个变态 假设他35 40岁这样
Supposing these women are his mom's age...
It's a mom thing. Wait, 40? Did I just hear you correctly?
是跟妈妈有关啊 等等 40 我没听错吧
This is not a kid. I've been rounding up teenagers.
This time wasn't as frenzied. It's not a teenager.
Sacramento DA reamed my ass
for hassling busboys,
and now you've changed your mind?
It's not a one off. This isn't some random freak out.
This guy is getting confident. At least late 20s.
Physically mature. Emotionally immature. Socially undeveloped.
身体成熟 情感幼稚 社交有障碍
Possibly still lives at home. narcotics, maybe.
That's why he beat her this badly, didn't know when to stop.
You think? Why not?
Not if he lives at home. Maybe he's married.
Or separated. Separated?
Guys in unhappy marriages have hair triggers.
They lash out. Especially when it comes to women.
I wouldn't know anything about that. Lucky you.
You guys still think he's white? Not Latino? Black?
I think blacks, Latinos
might be too respectful of an elderly woman.
My bet is poor white trash.
Listen, we did talk to some older guys.
And this one right here is pretty interesting.
Just came walking up off the street.
Hey, what happened? Did anybody see?" He'd been drinking.
"发生什么事了 有人看到了吗" 他喝了酒 "
One of these guys who likes talking to cops, you know.
We should talk to him.
Do you remember me?
Yeah, I remember you.
Ma'am, I'm Detective Roy Carver.
These are my colleagues, Bill Tench and Holden Ford.
Hello. What do you want?
It's Dwight, right?
What do you want with him? These gentlemen are with the FBI.
Well, now what has he done?
Who the hell have you brought into my home?
May we come in?
FBI knocking at my door.
I might as well be dead for all he cares.
Just kill me now because that is what you're doing.
And it is a slow death.
He's my only son. I might as well walk up to the freeway,
stick my head under a truck and save myself the misery.
We'd just like to ask Dwight a few questions.
Are these yours, Dwight?
You'd think he'd be out of my hair by now.
Move the fuck on, but no.
You sleep on the couch?
When he's not too drunk to get up there.
Maybe we can talk outside, Dwight. Have a smoke.
Just give me a fucking moment to breathe.
You have a lot of friends, Dwight?
I saw a dog leash in the house,
but I don't see a dog around here.
You got a girlfriend?
Must be tough bringing a girl home,
with your old lady breathing down your neck.
It's not hard?
I don't have a girlfriend.
Good looking guy like you? I don't believe you.
You trying to suck me off?
Put it this way, you never had a girlfriend?
She got pregnant.
My mom decided we were too young to get married,
told her parents.
She ratted you out.
What happened to the kid?
She got a scrape. Scrape?
How old were you? Twenty.
How old was she? Twenty.
That doesn't seem too young to me. Did you love her?
I don't know. What kind of fucking question is that?
I'm curious. Humor me.
Well, "I don't know," is the answer.
Do you think she loved you?
You okay there, Dwight? What?
你没事吧 德怀特 怎么了
Looks like you've been going at your arm pretty good.
You get in a scrap?
No. Let me see your arm.
How'd you get those scratches?
I get drunk. I don't know.
I've never seen alcohol give a guy scratches before.
I bump into things, I guess.
I got them from a piece of wood.
It's fine, I'm fine. Let me look at that again, Dwight.
没事的 我没事 让我再看看 德怀特
I don't have a dog.
She's the one with the dog, not me. Your mom?
她才有狗 我没有 你妈妈吗
Why don't you tell us right now how you got those scratches
so you don't lie to an FBI agent, okay?
I got them from a piece of wood.
Is it just you and her in there? And Jesse.
Not a big smoker? I smoke.
Doesn't it get cramped in there, the three of you all together?
I guess. Is that new? Jesse staying with you?
是吧 这是才开始的吗 杰西跟你们住
A few weeks.
They just met or whatever.
I don't know. That room's close by.
Is that kinda weird, hearing your mom and her boyfriend?
No. That would drive me crazy.
She sounds like she's hard to please.
Does he do what she wants?
She doesn't know what she wants.
Who just meets a guy, then she moves him right in, you know?
Kind of fucking weird. You ever talk to her about it?
What? She made you get an abortion with your girl.
Do you get a say in her romantic life?
I mean, he's living right next to you.
Do you get a say in hearing them fuck?
I think that would piss me off,
if my mom told me what to do all the time.
Get an abortion, get her this, get her that.
Yeah. How can you let your mom treat you like that?