I didn't realize you were still in the house.
I'm sorry to startle you.
Here's the estimate.
House looks good.
Can't think you need much beyond door and window sensors.
I included in the cost three keypads.
My husband wondered,
would you ever just sell the stickers for the windows
and a sign for the front lawn?
Signs come with the sensors, I'm afraid.
Of course they do. That makes sense.
Monte Rissell. Monte Rissell.
Falls Church, Virginia.
They sentenced him a few weeks ago.
Five victims, all women, raped and murdered.
五位受害者 都是女性 都是奸杀
First and last victim were beaten and then drowned.
Middle three stabbed.
I thought one of them was shot, no? No.
Virginia State Penitentiary. Monte Ralph Rissell.
Why don't you have a seat? Monte.
Hey, you guys need me for any of this?
No, thank you. We'd prefer to talk with you alone.
不用了 谢谢 我们想单独谈
Behave yourself, Rissell. Move.
老实点 里塞尔 让开
My name's Bill Tench. This is my partner, Holden Ford.
We're from the Federal Bureau of Investigation's
Behavioral Science Unit.
Scientists? We're from the Behavioral Science Unit.
We're doing research.
Interviewing... men like you.
Men like me?
Murderers with multiple victims.
To better understand why you do what you do.
I'd like to know, too.
You think this might help? Help with what?
Find a cure.
Think I could get some Big Red?
You know, like, soda.
Used to have it when I was a kid.
I always loved Big Red.
We'll see what we can do. That'll depend on the insights.
I can't get stuff like that in here.
What do you say we get down to brass tacks?
What do you want to know?
Why I raped those girls in Florida?
For starters, how did you choose your victims?
That doesn't sound good.
No, it doesn't.
How many other... "men like me" are you talking to?
Quite a few, Monte.
They all talk to you?
It's... early days.
Really think you can get some Big Red? Look at me, Monte.
你真能弄到大红汽水吗 看着我 蒙特
Let's stay on track.
You know what?
I don't think I'm interested. Fine.
You want to diddle around, we'll walk out of here.
We'll go have a nice, leisurely lunch wherever the fuck we want,
and then take the picturesque drive back to Quantico.
What's the rest of your day look like?
What my partner's too polite to say is,
we're talking to men like you
because we can't understand
how someone could fuck up their life so completely
before he's barely old enough to vote.
I first got into trouble at 14.
They sent me to Florida. This, uh...
Doctors watching over me all the time.
I had four girls while I was under observation.
But you didn't kill those girls in Florida, that came later.
What was different when you
came back from the hospital? What changed?
They let me out.
I come back up here,
get myself a job, a girlfriend.
Girlfriend's a year ahead, she goes off to state college,
but, you know, we keep in touch, we write.
You're taping it, man.
Taking notes helps with transcription.
You were saying? Back in school, a free man...
你刚刚说 回到学校 重获自由
Not free, no, sir.
Probation, counseling, therapy.
缓刑条例 心理咨询 治疗
I gotta keep checking in or they send me back.
But you got yourself a girlfriend...
Do I, though?
You know chicks.
She sends me a letter.
Tells me, shocker, there's all these guys up at school, you know.
说 哇 学校里好多优秀的男的
There's all this, uh...
She tells me, in so many words, she wants to ball other guys.
What am I supposed to do with that?
I hop in the car, gotta see it for myself, and what do you know,
我跳上车 得亲自去看看 结果
there she is, making out with some dork.
What a dumbshit, right?
What can you do?
You can't live with them.
I'll tell you what you can fucking do.
I get some beer, because I'm fucking angry,
I have some weed,
and I'm smoking, and thinking,
and driving, and drinking, and then...
Then I'm back at my apartment,
in the parking lot,
no idea how I got there.
A car pulls into the lot.
Girl on her own, maybe 20, 25.
一个女孩独自一人 大概20 25岁
It's got to be four in the morning.
the idea of doing it
pops in your head like a...
Like a sneeze, you know what I mean?
I hop out the car, tap on the window,
pull the gun,
drag her into the woods,
rip her fucking panties off, hike up her skirt.
Oh, yeah, give it to me, baby!
"真爽 给我 宝贝 "
I want it, I'm so horny."
I'm trying to rape her, but she won't shut up.
She takes off screaming,
runs through the parking lot, down a ravine.
You know, she's stronger than me, but I'm fast.
I catch up to her. I get her in a headlock.
I choke her.
We go rolling down the hill into a stream.
The whole thing is fucking chaos.
I smash her head against a rock,
hold her underwater...
and that's that.
No more drama.
You had a gun, why not use it?
I wanted to cool her off.
Do you think... Pardon me.
Do you think it would've ended differently if she hadn't...
Like, if she wasn't... Wasn't what?
A fucking prostitute?
Yeah, could be. Could be.
Your science buddy might have something there.
Second time, this blonde chick,
she will not stop with the questions.
I have her driving at gunpoint, and she's like,
Why are you doing this? Don't you have a girlfriend?
"你为什么要这么做 你没有女朋友吗 "
What are you planning to do? Why me?"
Is that why you stabbed her?
I had to.
Shut her the fuck up.
Then you drove around for hours in her car.
By the third girl, you could say I had,
uh... perfected the routine.
You stabbed her, too?
I stabbed her so many times.
I did let one of 'em go, though.
We're in the car, I'm getting ready, she has no idea.
我们在车里 我准备好了 她全然不知
All of a sudden she starts crying, out of nowhere.
Tells me her daddy's dying... Cancer.
My brother had cancer.
Cancer. It's, uh...
It's a bitch, man.
Yeah, it's hard on a human being.
So I let her go.
It's a weird feeling, man.
What's a weird feeling, Monte?
How do I put it?
Showing mercy. What?
Come on, kid.
You don't expect us to buy your mercy horseshit.
I think what Agent Tench means is...
I think I've had enough science for one day.
Throat's a little dry.
Maybe next time you should be careful... Holden.
I didn't say anything. You don't have to. I get it.
我什么都没说 不用你说 我懂
Let's move on. I wasn't going to reprimand you.
I hope not.
Okay, we're moving on.
Here's the thing.
Monte Rissell danced around
a bunch of psychiatrists when he was a kid.
Did the same thing when he was on parole.
He's an Olympic class bullshitter.
Why do we think he's suddenly being honest with us?
But we don't think he's being completely honest. Do we?
We just need to extract what's useful and discard the rest.
So my mistake with Rissell was what?
You okay? Yeah.
你没事吧 没事 fuck!
Jesus Christ! What the fuck's the matter with you?
What were you doing, 80, 100?!
你刚才时速是多少 130 160
You turned without looking! You were speeding!
Doesn't matter! I had the right of way! Doesn't matter?
这有什么关系 我有先行权 没关系
That's the law, buddy. The law?!
这是法律 兄弟 法律
No. Here's the fucking law, pal! You can't do that.
这他妈的才是法律 哥们 你不能这么做
I'm gonna call the police!
Stay away from me, man!
You fucking moron.
You sure you're all right?
No, I get it. You got a lot going on. It's a lot of pressure.
不 我懂的 你事情很多 压力很大
I completely understand.
Let me talk to Bill and I'll call you back.
Is that for me?
Thanks. Debbie says hi.
It's fine. As soon as class is over, she'll come down.
She says she'd rather us get a room
so she can pick us up in the morning.
Honestly, I'm a little ticked off.
I get Debbie doesn't want to do all that driving,
but we have a situation here. I'm asking her for help.
Okay, she's got midterms and that's on her mind, but...
她有期中考试 这是她的重心 但是
Why am I so upset?
Maybe 'cause she can't drop everything when you call.
Because she doesn't want to.
Here you go.
One more, please. Yes, sir.
再来一杯 谢谢 好的
You want to call Nancy?
Are you okay?
Or we could just eat.
I didn't see it coming, Holden.
You could've been killed, and I didn't see it coming.
It's one thing if it's the job.
But some fucking Pinto comes shooting out of nowhere...
I think if I called Nancy,
if I heard her voice,
I'd just lose it.
You know, we adopted a boy...
three years ago.
He's six now.
Nancy always wanted a family.
And I guess I did, too.
But we can't have kids of our own, so...
It's not going well.
He's a beautiful boy.
At first, I thought he was just quiet, you know, a quiet baby,
nothing wrong with that.
He can speak,
he just won't.
I feel like we're failing him somehow.
I'm sure you're not.
Maybe he was like this before.
But it's a real strain.
It's supposed to be this great thing, having a son.
I'm sorry to hear that.
When the car was spinning out, I just...
You have no idea what I'm trying to say, do you?
but I want to.
I don't know either.
It's nothing, it's fine.
Tell her she can come get us in the morning.
Come on, kid.
You don't expect us to buy your mercy horseshit.
I think what Agent Tench means is...
I think I've had enough science for one day.
Well, should we hear it again? Eventually, yeah.
Okay. So there are two triggers,
one right after the other, for Rissell.
Maybe trigger is the wrong word. Too facile.
Also, in law enforcement, has more than one meaning.
此外 在执法界 它有多个意思
What about stresses? Stressors.
Let's make that our term of art.
Stress is more internal anyway.
It's more appropriate to our focus.
So, two stressors set Rissell off?
Her letter, obviously.
So, the girlfriend writes him a Dear John letter and he...
But he doesn't call her or write back.
No, he goes down there.
Stalks her like a hunter. Not like a hunter.
He doesn't kill the girlfriend,
he only watches her with her new beau.
Big difference. "Beau"?
So what if Rissell doesn't mean to kill anyone at this point?
He's still on track for rape,
but it's this first victim's compliance
that just kind of pushes him over the edge.
He kills the first one because she likes it or pretends to?
Her compliance makes him angry.
He throws her out of the car, she tries to escape.
Where is it? He says, "The whole thing is just fucking chaos."
He needed to reassert control. Exactly.
Which means that the victim's behavior is also a stressor.
I mean, it may be that they can't change the ultimate outcome,
but they can affect when and how it happens.
Exactly what I was thinking, which is why I asked the question.
Isn't that just life?
Your girlfriend dumps you?
You're trying to be intimate with someone, and it goes wrong?
Obviously, not that wrong,
but it seems like Rissell just couldn't hack life.
Well, what else is a criminal
except somebody who can't function in society?
If we want to be reductive,
we can say these men can't handle normal stages of development...
Why do I get the sense "reductive" is your worst insult?
Not at all. I meant to say you were right.
How would most men feel if they were being intimate with a woman
and they sensed that she wasn't enjoying herself?
Come on, be scientists.
It would feel awful. Right.
You always want her to have a good time.
But when Rissell sensed that his victim was enjoying herself,
it turned him into a murderer.
So, yes, what happens to these men is normal,
所以 是的 这些男人的遭遇很正常
but the way that they process it is not.
That's our goal, to dig into the why,
like you did with Kemper.
We're headed to Altoona for Road School.
We'll try and see Rissell again
when we get back, if he'll see us.
You know that this is gonna take twice as long
if you can't do the interviews full time.
What is it? A question of money, of institutional rigidity,
到底是为什么 钱 制度僵化
All of the above.
You know, I've been in academia all my life,
let me see what I can do.
Honey, I gotta go.
Come on. Give your father a hug.
See you soon, son.
Ain't easy to get on the East Coast.
No, it's not.
So you're not from the East Coast, originally?
I'm sorry, I missed that. I'm a little deaf.
不好意思 我没听到 我有点聋
I was just asking if you consider yourself an East Coaster?
You don't have that in your file?
You were born in Wellington, South Kansas.
You're the youngest of three,
and your parents divorced when you were seven.
That's all in the file, just not what you have to say about it.
Yeah, my mom blamed that on me. No idea why.
My brother and sister were around,
but it was always on me when things went bad.
Pretty soon after, Mom up and married Hank.
Dragged us out to Sacramento. You wanted to stay in Kansas?
Be with my real father? You bet.
I did not want to be in California, that's for sure.
Nobody wanted me there, either.
Did your mother say she didn't want you there?
Why you always want to do that after?
Crush the can.
It feels good.
What made you think nobody wanted you in California?
Mom wanted to be with Hank.
And Hank didn't want to raise somebody else's kids,
so he bought us shit.
Thought that'd be enough.
When I was seven, he bought me a gun.
He bought you a gun? BB gun.
My brother and sister were drinking, smoking a lot of weed,
doing all kinds of shit.
Sometimes they'd share.
When I was nine, I shot my cousin in the ass with that gun.
That made me star of the show.
I mean, everybody fucking hated my cousin.
So you kids were left all alone.
Hank broke the fucking thing over my head.
He beat you? Yeah.
It's how I burst my eardrum.
I got into all kinds of shit, man.
Broke into some lady's house, stole a hundred bucks.
Mom and Hank divorced when I was 12, that was kind of my doing.
Fourteen, things got a little worse.
Burglary, larceny, car theft, rape twice.
抢劫 盗窃 偷车 两次强♥奸
My mom somehow got them to send me to Florida.
I get back. I'm 17, living on my own,
working double shifts at Pizza Hut.
Nobody wanted me, man.
Nobody on this earth ever wanted me.
Put that on your fucking tape.
If only they'd let me stay with my dad...
it'd all be different.
I might even be a lawyer.
So your dad wanted you? Have a nice car.
Be out in the backyard perfecting my recipe for barbecue.
I'd have found my way.
So Rissell's the real victim here?
That's how he sees it, sure.
A pathological liar who
murdered five women sees himself as the victim.
And we're giving him a shoulder to cry on.
We're not giving him a shoulder to cry on.
We're not flattering him. Or helping him.
We're using him.
Motive, means, opportunity.
动机 手段 机会
The three pillars of criminal investigation: what, why, who.
犯罪调查的三大支柱 内容 原因 人物
When I'm involved in a hostage negotiation,
the perpetrator is standing right in front of me.
Not a bad group tonight. Yeah.
We got one?
Look at him just standing there, watching us.
He's just having a cigarette before he heads home.
See how he's deliberately trying not to look at us?
He's screwing up the nerve to approach.
I put the over under at half a minute.
I'll definitely take under.
That's a bet. Loser buys dinner.
Look out, he's on the move.
You guys mind if I bother you a minute?
Sure. What's up?
Beverly Jean Shaw, 22.
Never came home from her babysitting job.
Four days later, we find her in the dump on Wopsononock Mountain.
Um, based on stomach contents,
we think she was killed right away,
around midnight Wednesday.
She was sitting like this at the dump for four days?
Well, no, um...
See, there wasn't enough, um...
If she had been at the dump four days...
We'd see more insect infestation and animal trauma of course.
So, between when she was murdered on Wednesday
and the body was discovered four days later,
she had to be someplace else?
They were, I guess you'd say... amputated.
Um, we have not been able to locate them.
Was this postmortem or...
Coroner said she was already dead. Yes, sir.
He blacked both her eyes,
broke her jaw, multiple stab wounds.
You can see he kind of frogged her legs out there.
And there was, um...
We don't get this kind of thing.
It's hard to... Take your time.
There was an incision. From her...
From her vagina to her, um... anus.
God damn it. I'm sorry. You're doing fine.
妈的 抱歉 你表现得很好