His given name is Benjamin Barnwright,
but everybody calls him Benji.
Came back to town, just like I told you he would.
Benji was home watching TV the night Beverly Jean was killed?
That's what he told us and I believe him.
He let us search his car, no warrant.
And we didn't find a thing
except for some of Beverly Jean's hair,
but in the passenger seat, like you'd expect it.
Passenger seat's not the best way
to transport a corpse, I'll give you that.
But you said he was home alone watching TV?
That's not much of an alibi. Why?
Isn't that what most people do most nights of the week?
Benjamin is definitely most people.
He's worked the same job ever since high school,
A&P超市给杂货装袋 bagging groceries at the A&P.
A&P工作 他能接触到送货车吗 Works at the A&P? Does he have access to a delivery vehicle?
Nope. Only works the floor.
Is he expecting us?
He's in mourning, I thought it'd be polite to let him know.
We should've brought a six pack.
Can I get you some coffee? Sure.
It's instant. None for me, thanks.
是速溶的 我不要 谢了
I got some donuts, too. Half glazed, half cake.
我还买了甜甜圈 半盒原味 半盒糖霜
I'd love a donut. Thanks, Benjamin.
我来个甜甜圈 谢谢 本杰明
Thanks for meeting with us, Mr. Barnwright.
I'm Bill Tench, this is Holden Ford.
We're with the FBI.
He told me you'll be helping with the case.
We're sorry about your girlfriend.
I still can't believe it.
How long were you with her? Eighteen months.
So this was pretty serious.
We just got engaged.
I knew she was it when I met her. How'd you know?
We saw things the same way.
And you're how old? Twenty six.
You play sports in high school?
I'm guessing not the football team.
Band? Debate? No.
玩乐队 参加辩论 不
Then what did you do?
Well, you're doing good now. Got your own place and everything.
Got this place for Beverly Jean.
She ask you to move?
I wanted us to have some privacy.
Where were you before?
A few blocks over on Chestnut.
With your family? Uh, with my mom.
It must have been hard on her, seeing you leave home.
I think she was happy to see me move on.
She loved Beverly Jean as much as I did.
Mrs. Barnwright goes to my church, too. First United Methodist.
So you two know each other from church?
Yeah. You and Rose.
Mostly by sight now. I don't go much anymore.
Was your mother a disciplinarian?
You mean strict?
Yeah. She crack the whip?
She just cried.
Well, I'm sure it was difficult raising two kids without a dad.
Yeah, he split when I was ten.
What was your father like? I don't much remember him.
You and Beverly Jean ever fight?
Perfectly normal for a young couple.
What'd you fight about?
Just stupid stuff.
what movie to go to.
Any nerves around the engagement? No, sir.
You got this place for her? Did she like it?
She wanted to make it pretty when she moved in.
When was that gonna be?
After the wedding. Traditional, huh?
Yeah. Was that for your mother?
That was just to keep it proper.
Was she saving herself for marriage?
Well, maybe she didn't want to wait.
Girls like fooling around just as much as boys.
That's okay, Benjamin.
We understand, that's...
We'll keep it private.
Beverly Jean was, uh, my...
Your first sexual experience? Yeah
But she was nice.
I don't know what all this has to do with what happened to her...
Listen, Benjamin. We're from a particular unit of the FBI.
听着 本杰明 我们是联调局一个特殊部门的
We investigate murders when there's a sexual angle.
It may be unpleasant, but it's what we do.
It's awful, what was done to her.
Does he know?
He only knows about the breasts. It was another officer...
It's hard keeping this quiet.
I want to talk to Mrs. Barnwright.
Should we stop at a pay phone, give her a heads up, too?
That'd be fair. What about the tears?
I didn't buy them. Think he was faking?
Seemed a bit much. Given what he's been through?
It sure got us out of there.
He's obviously a mama's boy.
Or he knows how to play one.
What do you mean?
He was a virgin? He serves donuts?
All of that could have been rehearsed,
especially since he knew we were coming.
Benjamin has never seemed like a performer to me.
Two Feds in your living room would make anybody nervous.
Look at him, you think he could have easily moved a body?
Not without bursting into tears.
I always worried about Benjamin.
He was living with you when he met Beverly Jean?
He was so excited to have a girlfriend.
Did she reciprocate those feelings?
He said that she was crazy about him.
Did you meet her? Of course.
What were they like together?
Well, they were... normal.
She teased him a lot.
He pretended not to enjoy it, but I know he did.
Benjamin told us the two of them argued sometimes.
Did you see him?
Is he in trouble?
We're just going over the case again,
talking to everyone who knew Beverly Jean.
Well... I never heard them argue.
Benjamin is soft, you know.
What was he like as a kid?
He was always sensitive. But when his father ran off, he just...
他总是很善解人意 但当他爸爸出走后 他就...
What do you mean?
Well... he started to cry a lot, wet the bed.
He wouldn't leave the house. That must have been difficult.
I had to leave the kids on their own a lot.
Rose helped out, but she was just so little.
Those were hard years. I did a lot of praying.
But then Rose met Frank and he moved in with us.
They just had a baby, you know.
Your first grandchild?
People talked about Frank back then,
but I never listened to all that.
I loved him from the first time I met him. I still do.
Did Benjamin feel the same way?
Well, he started to go out, you know.
He became friends with Frank.
Frank protected him.
He wouldn't let anyone near Rose.
He even got Benji a job so I didn't have to work two shifts.
Sometimes Rose said I loved him more than she did.
When was this?
Well, uh... they got married at 18,
so Rose must have been...
at the time.
Frank moved in. Why?
Well, I don't remember.
He had some problems at home with his father, as young boys do.
But he got them their own place when they married.
And Benjamin lived at home with you until he met Beverly Jean?
It's been a strange time.
We were so happy that Rose and Frank were having a baby,
and then Benjamin loses his love in such a horrible way.
Like mother, like son.
You think there's a gene for crying?
I keep wondering why Beverly was with him in the first place.
She might have liked that he was older,
easy to talk to. He's sensitive.
Half glazed, half cake"?
"半盒原味 半盒糖霜" "
I bet Beverly had poor old pipsqueak Benji
wrapped around her golden triangle.
Maybe she wanted a nice guy with a steady income who loved her.
Whatever you say, Ocasek.
We were just saying there's not much here.
I assured Mrs. Barnwright this was a formality.
It's not a formality. Well, I can tell her it is.
So where does this leave us?
There's still Alvin.
You don't want it to be someone in the community.
Neither of you do.
Who drives all this way to come to some rust belt town?
If you're hunting for girls, you got big cities.
You got freeways with hitchhikers.
Why choose a place like this?
How would a drifter know where the dump is?
There you are.
I got all kinds of fun things for you to look over.
Yeah, it's hardly sexy,
but I'm trying to put together a list of questions
for the killers that you interview.
Things like family history, mood,
thought patterns before, during, and after the crime.
This is just a first draft,
but look it over and let me know what you think.
Shouldn't we tailor the interviews
based on the killer's personality?
You mean just wing it?
With these guys, we need to look for different ways in.
Yes, but we still need a data set
that's consistent across all our subjects.
Back to Boston. You just got here.
Well, until you conduct more interviews,
there's really nothing for me to do here.
We had a really interesting conversation
with the fiancé of that victim in Altoona.
I got a taxi waiting. Cancel it. I'll drive you.
计程车在等我 取消 我开车送你
Let me take your bag. Thank you.
He lost it. I've never seen a guy cry like that.
Bill was skeptical.
But you believed him? It looked real.
Well, how did it feel? I mean, were you moved?
Did you want to comfort him? I wanted him to stop.
Why'd you want him to stop?
I don't know, maybe I'm just callous.
Try a little harder, Holden.
It felt wrong.
Benjamin was blubbering like a baby,
but it didn't seem vulnerable.
It felt hostile.
You know, psychopaths are
extremely skilled at imitating human emotions.
It's how they manipulate other people
or how they gain power over their environment.
How do they understand emotions if they don't have them?
Well, they have emotions.
They just don't believe other people have them.
Or more specifically,
they don't believe that other people have interior lives.
How do we sniff them out?
Well, it seems like you just did. Trust your instincts.
The whole town sees Benjamin
as this lost little puppy that needs protecting.
Maybe my instincts are wrong.
Well, we're developing a methodology, so use it.
Look at where the perpetrator went.
Hair, breasts, vagina, all symbols of her sexual power.
头发 胸部 阴♥道 全都是她的性别象征
Disfiguring her reproductive organs was a way to neutralize her.
What about the hair on the ironing board?
Was that some kind of display?
Like a trophy. A way to assert his dominance.
Benjamin is anything but assertive.
Beverly's the first woman he slept with.
How old is he? Twenty six.
So that would give the relationship an extra significance.
Bill thinks the only reason she was with him
is because she has total sexual control over him.
Well, what's her history? Was she a virgin, too?
He was touchy about that.
So then she had some experience,
which could either excite or threaten him.
In the photo, she looks like the girl next door.
You really believe that a young, pretty girl
can't be manipulative?
Even if she was using sex to control him,
and you have absolutely no evidence for this,
then it would be what many women do
to have an ounce of power in this world.
Fine, but if it went too far,
if something happened and Benjamin snapped,
could feelings of impotence explain his rage?
Could it explain him going back four days later
to cut her up like you said,
as an attempt to assert control? Possibly.
But then wouldn't the rape already have accomplished that?
Accomplish control? Exactly.
In all the crimes we've studied, there's never been an example
of a victim being raped then depersonalized.
If the killer mutilates her after death,
then he usually commits sexual acts after death as well.
To make up for his sense of inadequacy while she was still alive.
It's like there's two different presentations in this crime scene.
Anybody picking you up in Boston?
I'll grab a cab. Bye.
What are you...
Up to? Studying.
Pulling an all nighter.
C·莱特·米尔斯和权力精英的论文 Writing a paper on C. Wright Mills and the power elite.
It's about the people who really run this country.
Hardly what our democracy is supposed to be about.
Are you okay? What?
You seem... Oh. My friend gave me some diet pills.
Really? Speed actually makes this interesting.
May I see those?
Great for concentration, keeps you totally focused.
Beer? Coffee? Tea? Is this legal?
喝啤酒 咖啡还是茶 这个药合法吗
Out comes the narc.
We were digging into his relationship
with the fiancé and he burst into tears.
Bill thought he was bullshitting,
but psychopaths are extremely skilled
at imitating human emotions.
I once went crying to my professor.
You fake cried?
Made up an elaborate story
about my dad in some horrendous accident.
When was this? My freshman year.
I was partying a little too much, almost flunked out of school.
The interesting thing was,
while I was lying, I actually started believing it.
C Made for a good show. He raised my grade to a C.
Your teacher was male. So?
Women crying to men always works. Men to men?
Not my point. Why were you drinking so much?
I wanted to fit in. I wanted to be wild and crazy.
Why? I was tired of always thinking.
Don't you get tired of thinking? No.
And it made it easier to sleep with people.
How many people did you sleep with? Let's not.
A lot? What difference does that make?
Just curious. And judgmental.
Ten... This is getting tedious.
Ten? Holden... I'm not doing this.
十个吗 霍尔登 我不跟你说这个
Jesus. I know. What do we do?
天啊 我知道 该怎么办
Hell, pick him up. What do I tell him?
Don't tell him anything.
Let him stew for a few hours until we get there.
Ocasek looked into Frank Janderman.
Apparently, in high school, he was sent to a psychiatric hospital
for taking a monkey wrench to a girl.
Frank Janderman? Rose's husband.
We should get this on tape.
So I got to thinking, why did Mrs. Barnwright
say people were talking about Frank back then?
What were they talking about, right? Right.
So I talked to this family court judge who's a friend of mine.
Sure enough, he remembers the case.
Since Frank was a juvenile when the assault occurred,
the court sealed the records.
Fortunately, the judge is a very good friend of mine.
Here's what we've got on Frank's hearing,
and his time at Warren State.
Nice work, Mark.
This is where your community system pays off.
He's been back here since nine. Maybe we should...
Let him wait.
Why don't we have a cup of coffee?
If Frank's a hothead,
it'll irritate him, throw him off.
Class of '71?
Yep. You go to your five year reunion?
I don't really keep up with that stuff.
It's commendable that you graduated,
seeing as how you missed your junior year.
What do you want from me? I've been here all day.
I answered all your questions last week.
We just have a few more.
You've got everyone in a tizzy.
You mean Benjamin? Yeah.
The whole family. Me, my wife, mom.
还有全家 我 我老婆 我妈
You scared the shit out of Benji.
I'm sorry if we scared everyone.
And for keeping you for so long.